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#rtems 2014-06-03T07:57:13 *** gedare_ has joined #rtems 2014-06-03T07:59:01 https://docs.google.com/document/d/1BB_VqpXqpTf1qLMONG4G10yWhpMJCHFSswVPZkfMJwA/edit?usp=sharing 2014-06-03T07:59:29 *** gedare has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 255 seconds) 2014-06-03T08:00:01 *** gedare_ is now known as gedare 2014-06-03T08:00:08 Hi everyone 2014-06-03T08:00:37 Hi,gedare 2014-06-03T08:00:53 hello 2014-06-03T08:00:58 hey 2014-06-03T08:01:35 looks like we're missing hesham this morning 2014-06-03T08:01:48 Is Krysztof here? 2014-06-03T08:02:42 ok, Krzysztof is our ESA SOCIS student, he should be joining us for these meetings 2014-06-03T08:03:05 Let's get started. Sched would you like to update us and tell us your plans? Hi phipse. 2014-06-03T08:03:06 *** Sched has quit IRC () 2014-06-03T08:03:15 oo... sched just dropped 2014-06-03T08:03:27 OK, asuolen would you like to go first? Hi verm__ 2014-06-03T08:03:39 yes, no problem 2014-06-03T08:04:16 *** Sched has joined #rtems 2014-06-03T08:04:18 this week I have been looking at the multiio code, and using it to shape my GPIO API 2014-06-03T08:05:10 ok. There was a thread this week about gpiolib on RTEMS, which is something provided by Aeroflex Gaisler 2014-06-03T08:05:25 It might be worthwhile to take a look at what they provide 2014-06-03T08:05:57 Gaisler primarily offers support for the SPARC leon targets 2014-06-03T08:06:21 I was going to post something on the dev mailing list but I am still testing the API design (structs, functions) for GPIO, and I would like to check how taht could fit with multiio 2014-06-03T08:06:33 if you google for Aeroflex Gaisler gpiolib, one of the hits is a PDF with a section about their GPIO driver. 2014-06-03T08:06:39 ok 2014-06-03T08:06:45 well, post early, post often. 2014-06-03T08:07:01 it's ok to put up early drafts so you get a little feedback. 2014-06-03T08:07:27 just don't post too often, I suppose, since you might lose people's interest. 2014-06-03T08:07:35 here 2014-06-03T08:07:44 what is this weeks google doc url? 2014-06-03T08:07:50 https://docs.google.com/document/d/1BB_VqpXqpTf1qLMONG4G10yWhpMJCHFSswVPZkfMJwA/edit?usp=sharing 2014-06-03T08:08:09 thanks, i'll help edit like last week 2014-06-03T08:08:18 will look at gaisler API too 2014-06-03T08:08:22 asuolen: do you have a development blog for posting your design notes? 2014-06-03T08:08:59 ok great 2014-06-03T08:09:09 my blog is on the wiki table, but i did not put the design there yet. Right now i have some sheets of paper and some code on github 2014-06-03T08:09:17 ok 2014-06-03T08:09:20 are any students missing? 2014-06-03T08:09:31 I can put that online this week. that will help the discussion 2014-06-03T08:09:35 Hesham, and Krzysztof 2014-06-03T08:10:09 OK thanks asuolen anything else? It sounds like you are close to coding up a first implementation of the GPIO framework 2014-06-03T08:10:23 hmm krzysztof wasn't around last week,. either? 2014-06-03T08:10:32 He's starting ESA SOCIS yesterday 2014-06-03T08:10:50 oh, that's why he's SOCIS 2014-06-03T08:10:51 ok 2014-06-03T08:11:21 well on github i have a draft implementation for digital output, and i have already tested it on the rpi with an LED (the test application is also there) 2014-06-03T08:11:59 oh ok good. then once you have the API figured out for GPIO it should not be too much work 2014-06-03T08:12:12 All right, thanks asuolen. Welcome back Sched, would you like to give us an update? hi phipse. 2014-06-03T08:12:35 hi 2014-06-03T08:13:09 Sched: I read your blog post. I was confused about whether RTEMS provides a virtual-cpu model, or POK provides a vcpu. 2014-06-03T08:13:58 neither of them support them now 2014-06-03T08:14:18 I mean, which one do you envision would support it 2014-06-03T08:15:03 I think we should implement them, In the mail-list, it seem that we should implement it in RTEMS, to support different hypervisor 2014-06-03T08:15:14 *** krzysiekm13 has joined #rtems 2014-06-03T08:15:57 Nope, as I has written, the concept of a virtual CPU needs to be implemented in the hypervisor/host. 2014-06-03T08:16:04 hi krzysztof 2014-06-03T08:16:13 Yes. Think about how Linux does not implement a vcpu 2014-06-03T08:16:29 You can think of it, as a CPU executing the guest code 2014-06-03T08:16:52 So you implement it in POK and run RTEMS on it. 2014-06-03T08:16:59 Yes, of course, the vcpu is one of the way to control hardware by hypervisor. 2014-06-03T08:17:31 But them what we should do in RTEMS? 2014-06-03T08:18:14 Nothing for now 2014-06-03T08:18:30 RTEMS probably has to provide some kind of hook points is all, to implement the sensitive and privileged accesses. 2014-06-03T08:18:48 add one layer of abstraction over every access to sensitive processor state. 2014-06-03T08:18:55 It is POKs job to schedule the vCPU to run 2014-06-03T08:19:10 which I think phipse has already done for x86. 2014-06-03T08:19:15 The mail-list said we should implement some thing for RTEMS, for some hypervisor. 2014-06-03T08:19:37 Go back and re-read the thread, and then write up a summary of what you think it says. 2014-06-03T08:19:53 Ok 2014-06-03T08:20:19 How is your hypercall interface looking? 2014-06-03T08:20:24 And I was confused about the next step for me. 2014-06-03T08:20:33 It's just like a syscall. 2014-06-03T08:20:34 In our case it is for RTEMS, as we want to run RTEMS on POK and not some other system. But POK needs to provide the virtual CPU as it hosts the guest system (RTEMS) 2014-06-03T08:21:03 Thank you, I got it. 2014-06-03T08:21:24 The major part of your work is in POK and we stick to the current way to glue the two together for now 2014-06-03T08:21:34 hi 2014-06-03T08:21:45 It's just like a syscall in POK, to invoke it, and it will invoke "int 42" 2014-06-03T08:21:52 What will be your next step? 2014-06-03T08:22:10 What does the 'int' instruction do? 2014-06-03T08:23:09 the int will invoke a soft interrupt with interrupt number as its parameter 2014-06-03T08:23:28 ok :) 2014-06-03T08:23:28 I want to know what should I do next step, as my schedule before, I will make a design about adapting the struct about interrupt. 2014-06-03T08:23:55 but now should I focus on virtual cpu first? 2014-06-03T08:24:16 or insist on the schedule before? 2014-06-03T08:25:21 Which is more important or urgent for now? 2014-06-03T08:26:01 I think the virtual CPU part should go first. From my point of view, the interrupt is part of it, and we should start at the bottom 2014-06-03T08:26:17 I also want to have a know about another student progress about paravirtualization :) 2014-06-03T08:26:48 *** atgreen has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 240 seconds) 2014-06-03T08:26:51 That's one of the next points. 2014-06-03T08:26:56 Right, I will follow you guide. 2014-06-03T08:27:18 Thank you :) 2014-06-03T08:27:32 gedare: do you have open questions? 2014-06-03T08:27:34 thanks Sched. JustJanek would you like to go now? 2014-06-03T08:27:46 no phipse I think the improvement of POK is a good direction 2014-06-03T08:27:51 with vcpu model 2014-06-03T08:28:01 yep 2014-06-03T08:28:38 well, i think i've done the majority of TODO's i had left from last week which of the most important one was arinc653 on rtems-guest 2014-06-03T08:29:04 i've looked into how aadl works with pok and looking at the arinc653 examples within pok 2014-06-03T08:30:12 did you make any progress getting an arinc call from rtems to pok? 2014-06-03T08:31:24 not quite, i've thought that learning how pok handles arinc653 calls would teach me about how i could use them on rtems but the blackboard example, or most examples, arent really great for rtems's purpose 2014-06-03T08:31:54 since aadl abstracts away any direct arinc653 calls so i'm currently wondering how a rtems partition is defined in aadl 2014-06-03T08:32:17 since i couldn't quite conclude that after looking at rtems-guest's aadl 2014-06-03T08:32:33 ok. you may need to consult with the pok mailing list and with claudio on that issue, unless phipse has any idea. 2014-06-03T08:33:09 oh, yes. i've also found that some arinc653 examples didnt work so i have to post on pok's mailing list concerning that in the first place 2014-06-03T08:33:38 ok 2014-06-03T08:33:56 your main focus this week should be on getting an arinc call to work, i think. 2014-06-03T08:34:13 yes, i agree 2014-06-03T08:34:38 and also you can start the initial design on the interface to access those calls from RTEMS 2014-06-03T08:34:56 i currently kind of learned how the arinc653-blackboard aadl works and copy-pasted it to rtems-guest but i think it's still defined as pok partitions 2014-06-03T08:35:06 ok 2014-06-03T08:35:20 when are your exams? 2014-06-03T08:35:55 I've got no exams but school is quite busy 2014-06-03T08:36:07 The RTEMS partition is defined via the x86-qemu-vmm BSP. 2014-06-03T08:36:07 though i should be done after june 2014-06-03T08:36:34 oh, ok 2014-06-03T08:36:46 BTW, should I pull a request about the hypercall commit? 2014-06-03T08:37:08 Sched: send a link to the commit to your mentors for their feedback 2014-06-03T08:37:27 and a link to your blog post describing the design of that code. 2014-06-03T08:37:53 gedare: that's already on the mailing list. 2014-06-03T08:37:59 oh, ok i'll have to dig it up ;) 2014-06-03T08:38:08 :) 2014-06-03T08:38:16 The pull request is unnecessary at this point. 2014-06-03T08:38:29 yes the main focus right now should be on POK 2014-06-03T08:38:31 OK 2014-06-03T08:38:42 as long as RTEMS side "works", the actual hypercall interface is unimportant for now. 2014-06-03T08:38:46 Thank you for your review.:) 2014-06-03T08:38:54 ok. Thanks Sched. Anything else JustJanek ? 2014-06-03T08:39:16 i dont think so, will be working on initial design and arinc call on rtems 2014-06-03T08:40:08 ok great. 2014-06-03T08:40:15 AoLaD: Can you go next? Hi ppisa 2014-06-03T08:40:18 JustJanek: if you have questions. Just drop me a mail. 2014-06-03T08:40:23 Hello Gedare 2014-06-03T08:40:43 no problem :) 2014-06-03T08:41:12 I’ve made some parser script. It extracts about 90% of register information from manufacturer reference manual. Other 10% are inconsistent. I’m wondering about parsing them by myself. It may be a way quicker. 2014-06-03T08:41:13 The development boards arrived in Prague yesterday. I suppose that I’ll touch one of them by Thursday. (I’ve had exam today and other one will be tomorrow). 2014-06-03T08:42:01 Ok good. Can you also find a link to a commercially-available board that might be purchased by RTEMS Project for validation and testing of your port? 2014-06-03T08:42:20 Unless you find a good enough simulator, we would need to find some way to test your code also. 2014-06-03T08:43:12 have you identified what parts of the ARM cpukit/score/cpu, libcpu/arm, or libbsp/arm need to be worked with for your port? 2014-06-03T08:44:17 how fast do you need that name of that board? 2014-06-03T08:44:35 before midterm. 2014-06-03T08:45:07 i thought there was one board suggested by ppisa that would be a close match, but I'd have to dig through my email to find that. 2014-06-03T08:45:09 oh, no problem 2014-06-03T08:45:16 great. 2014-06-03T08:46:03 If you need some specific compiler options (multilib) for your port, you can ask sebhub and he should be able to help create it in gcc for you. 2014-06-03T08:46:27 I still hope that Ill be fine about that 2014-06-03T08:46:44 your first goal should be to get RTEMS to compile for the target architecture, and then to work toward getting a console driver to work. 2014-06-03T08:46:45 But I'll keep it in mind, thank you 2014-06-03T08:46:47 ok 2014-06-03T08:47:05 Agree 2014-06-03T08:47:19 Ok, go focus on your exams :) And then start playing with the boards! 2014-06-03T08:47:42 ya, thats work for next week 2014-06-03T08:47:54 thank you 2014-06-03T08:48:12 Ok. Next up, krzysiekm13 can you please introduce yourself and your project and say briefly what you will be starting this week? 2014-06-03T08:48:29 krzysiekm13 is our ESA SOCIS student, which started yesterday. 2014-06-03T08:48:34 hi 2014-06-03T08:48:37 i'm krzysiek, 2014-06-03T08:49:17 i am from poland and i am working on project regarding reworking coverage analysis framework for rtems within ESA SOCIS program 2014-06-03T08:51:01 during next week i think i will start working on establishing coverage analysis framework with qemu, i worked with it during SOCIS 2012 2014-06-03T08:51:30 when i finish it I am going to rework coverage reporting to per module basis 2014-06-03T08:51:49 now it is done for core and developmental which make interpretation harder 2014-06-03T08:52:00 Good. You should also be sure to start familiarizing yourself with the RSB and rtems-test modules. read their documentation and try out a few of the builds and simulator-testing commands. 2014-06-03T08:52:27 I believe one of your project goals is to get the coverage tools to build in RSB, and to run in rtems-test. 2014-06-03T08:55:04 krzysiekm13: Please update the table on the rtems wiki summer of code page with a link to your github and development blog 2014-06-03T08:55:26 and find or add a wiki page for describing your work. I believe there exist some related to coverage already. 2014-06-03T08:55:41 krzysiekm13: Thanks, any questions? 2014-06-03T08:56:11 no, if i have any question i will try to contact you by mail 2014-06-03T08:56:13 krzysiekm13: Also, what is your school schedule like currently? 2014-06-03T08:57:01 i have a little of classes, but in wednesday and friday perform some tests to my master thesis 2014-06-03T08:57:09 *** phipse has quit IRC (Quit: leaving) 2014-06-03T08:57:12 but i hope i finish these test this week 2014-06-03T08:57:26 ok great, focus on those for now then 2014-06-03T08:57:30 that concludes our meeting, please be sure to update the gdoc for today's meeting with your notes and status. 2014-06-03T08:57:38 https://docs.google.com/document/d/1BB_VqpXqpTf1qLMONG4G10yWhpMJCHFSswVPZkfMJwA/edit?usp=sharing 2014-06-03T08:57:45 Thanks everyone. 2014-06-03T08:58:15 Thank you gedare 2014-06-03T08:58:33 I have forget the link of last weeks gdoc 2014-06-03T08:58:48 could you re-send it to me in private? 2014-06-03T08:59:13 Thank you very much :) 2014-06-03T09:02:18 *** krzysiekm13 has quit IRC (Quit: Page closed) 2014-06-03T09:06:08 Thank you very much :) 2014-06-03T09:06:13 yw 2014-06-03T09:12:33 *** asuolen has quit IRC (Quit: Lost terminal) 2014-06-03T09:14:09 *** Sched has quit IRC () 2014-06-03T09:20:46 hmm, students are nto updating that google doc. maybe i need to be more assertive about doing that. 2014-06-03T09:21:55 I usually update it later at night (night for me, that is) as i'm currently at school 2014-06-03T09:22:19 why has last week's not been updated either by some? 2014-06-03T09:22:34 ahh. i guess i only checked this week just now 2014-06-03T09:22:47 nevermind.. 2014-06-03T09:22:48 :) 2014-06-03T09:22:56 good students. *pats heads* 2014-06-03T09:23:23 these are mostly for the benefit of the mentors who miss the meeting, and for historical purposes. 2014-06-03T09:23:58 gotta go. bye everyone. 2014-06-03T09:24:02 *** gedare has quit IRC (Quit: Leaving) 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