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2014-03-11T03:51:35  <sebhub> good morning
2014-03-11T04:01:08  <hiddenpearls> morning
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2014-03-11T09:25:26  <gedare> sebhub: profiling patches looked fine to me now.
2014-03-11T09:25:38  <gedare> and thanks for pulling out the discussion about testing framework.
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2014-03-11T10:06:38  <sebhub> thanks for the review
2014-03-11T10:19:19  <gedare> this profiling code is important to get right
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2014-03-11T10:19:30  <gedare> especially if it comes in before the release
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2014-03-11T10:39:02  <sebhub> yes, the next stuff is the thread deletion
2014-03-11T10:51:41  <gedare> shelf: what projects are you considering to propose?
2014-03-11T10:51:50  <gedare> i have not seen anything on our rtems wiki yet from you
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2014-03-11T10:55:28  <shelf> gedare: yo. I've spent the last week moving to indiana
2014-03-11T10:55:43  <gedare> ah. what uni?
2014-03-11T10:55:50  <shelf> Rose Hulman?
2014-03-11T10:56:05  <gedare> ok
2014-03-11T10:56:14  <shelf> my line of inquiry was IRQ affinity, and possibly some smaller tasks from the SMP list
2014-03-11T10:56:53  <gedare> ok. joel believes a set of smaller tasks from SMP is doable
2014-03-11T10:57:27  <gedare> i'm not sure, the proposal has to provide quite a bit of detail on something that is a little on the vague side.
2014-03-11T10:57:33  <shelf> yeah. feel free to highlight me and point me to chunks that are higher priorities
2014-03-11T10:58:44  <shelf> I will need to propose something focused, so as not to stretch my abilities and waste time
2014-03-11T10:59:14  <shelf> sorry for the week of silence, it's a bit unusual for a school term to start on March 10!
2014-03-11T10:59:46  <gedare> yeah.. when does it end?
2014-03-11T10:59:56  <shelf> mid-may
2014-03-11T11:00:14  <gedare> good deal..and you're staying in IN through the summer, or going back to AU?
2014-03-11T11:00:14  <shelf> they do trimesters. i'm joining for their third trimester of the academic year
2014-03-11T11:00:17  <gedare> ahh.
2014-03-11T11:00:23  <shelf> staying in US all summer. hence, gsoc!
2014-03-11T11:00:28  <gedare> good..
2014-03-11T11:00:46  <gedare> do you have any experience with Python already?
2014-03-11T11:01:06  <shelf> i've used python a few times, but mainly for one-offs
2014-03-11T11:01:13  <gedare> ok
2014-03-11T11:01:27  <shelf> sometimes the object model surprises me but i'd consider myself competent. why?
2014-03-11T11:01:49  <gedare> there are some nice RTEMS-related support projects that use Python
2014-03-11T11:02:01  <gedare> these can be improved via GSOC
2014-03-11T11:02:37  <gedare> there is http://www.rtems.org/wiki/index.php/RSB which is reaching maturity
2014-03-11T11:03:05  <gedare> and there is rtems-test: http://git.rtems.org/rtems-tools/tree/tester
2014-03-11T11:03:10  <gedare> which is relatively new, but important..
2014-03-11T11:03:31  <gedare> rtems-test is for managing how we run automated tests
2014-03-11T11:03:56  <gedare> you can contact chris johns directly if either of these seem interesting to you, and he can provide you with some possible open project ideas for them.
2014-03-11T11:04:13  <shelf> alright, i will definitely enquire and see what he has in mind.
2014-03-11T11:04:50  <shelf> still got a week to get something together :>
2014-03-11T11:05:12  <gedare> yeah, but it is good to get the first draft in early so you can get a review/feedback in good time
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2014-03-11T11:07:57  <shelf> alright. i'll do the best i can in the timeframe
2014-03-11T11:08:10  <shelf> have you got many other proposals?
2014-03-11T11:09:38  <hiddenpearls> degare, is there anything that can be done using Linked Data or Semantic web
2014-03-11T11:09:49  <hiddenpearls> for RTEMS
2014-03-11T11:09:52  <gedare> shelf: no we don't have very many this year so far.
2014-03-11T11:10:00  <gedare> hiddenpearls: what do you mean by Linked Data?
2014-03-11T11:10:50  <hiddenpearls> http://linkeddata.org/
2014-03-11T11:13:21  <gedare> hiddenpearls: it seems like most of this would be at the application level about adding this kind of tags and using the semantically-rich languages..
2014-03-11T11:14:07  <gedare> the place to start would be to evaluate what web servers there are available for rtems and whether they have the required parsers for these kinds of things
2014-03-11T11:14:54  <gedare> there might be some useful projects one could define about getting data out of an RTEMS system also
2014-03-11T11:15:05  <gedare> where that data is formatted in semantically-rich ways
2014-03-11T11:15:28  <hiddenpearls> ok
2014-03-11T11:15:36  <gedare> for example, the recent profiling/statistics support being added (see patches in last 2 days on rtems-devel mailing list) can export XML data about RTEMS profiling
2014-03-11T11:15:52  <gedare> perhaps there are other kinds of statistics or data formats that would be useful
2014-03-11T11:16:24  <gedare> e.g. http://wiki.rtems.org/wiki/index.php/Open_Projects#Debugging
2014-03-11T11:16:42  <gedare> any of those 3 bullets could probably benefit from standardized data formats
2014-03-11T11:17:01  <hiddenpearls> cool
2014-03-11T11:17:13  <hiddenpearls> I am looking at it
2014-03-11T11:21:30  <hiddenpearls> ok, seems interesting
2014-03-11T11:22:26  <hiddenpearls> how if we make an application for RTEMS that parses the semantic data
2014-03-11T11:23:02  <hiddenpearls> I will study the subject and talk to my UNI supervisor too in more detail
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2014-03-11T11:45:34  <gedare> ok hiddenpearls you should also email to rtems-devel, see the guidance at http://wiki.rtems.org/wiki/index.php/RTEMSSummerOfCode#Writing_Proposals_and_Doing_Projects
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2014-03-11T12:02:13  <hiddenpearls> ok
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2014-03-12T18:47:15  <kiwichris> gedare, about ?
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2014-03-12T19:41:27  <gedare> hi kiwichris
2014-03-12T19:41:37  <kiwichris> hi
2014-03-12T19:42:05  <kiwichris> You know how Sebastian has added lock_context to RTEMS to replace the ISR level
2014-03-12T19:42:10  <gedare> yes
2014-03-12T19:42:26  <kiwichris> It occurred to me this may not be safe if not unlocked
2014-03-12T19:42:39  <kiwichris> before leaving the block it is declared in
2014-03-12T19:42:46  <kiwichris> ie lost
2014-03-12T19:43:03  <gedare> can you link me to something?
2014-03-12T19:43:14  <gedare> i don't have it in my head
2014-03-12T19:43:49  <kiwichris> Well there is a Python plug in for gcc and I was wondering a GSoC project could be to add support for check if the lock is released before existing the block.
2014-03-12T19:44:06  <kiwichris> We add a few things like this.
2014-03-12T19:44:13  <gedare> ah.
2014-03-12T19:44:28  <gedare> the atomicops student had proposed some lock debugging last year. it is a nice thing to add.
2014-03-12T19:44:29  <kiwichris> A RTEMS custom static checker
2014-03-12T19:44:48  <kiwichris> This would be static
2014-03-12T19:45:06  <gedare> and yes, i would imagine the scenario you suggest is bad, like a "lock context leak"
2014-03-12T19:45:18  <kiwichris> yes and very hard to find
2014-03-12T19:45:26  <gedare> ok. fwiw i think llvm/clang has much better tools for that, so a good gsoc would be to round out that area
2014-03-12T19:45:47  <gedare> but i don't quite know the scope of issues for clang.
2014-03-12T19:45:59  <kiwichris> Does llvm/clang have plug in support like gcc ?
2014-03-12T19:46:56  <kiwichris> https://fedorahosted.org/gcc-python-plugin/
2014-03-12T19:48:06  <gedare> llvm is designed for modularity
2014-03-12T19:48:12  <gedare> lots of tools are built on it
2014-03-12T19:48:20  <gedare> http://clang-analyzer.llvm.org/
2014-03-12T19:48:34  <gedare> http://klee.github.io/klee/
2014-03-12T19:48:44  <gedare> those are two of the better known static analyzer / offline analysis tools
2014-03-12T19:49:11  <gedare> btw i built qemu with rsb today, very smooth
2014-03-12T19:49:25  <gedare> although, there should probably just be a qemu bset not nested under dtc.
2014-03-12T19:49:56  <gedare> i was trying to run RTEMS on qemu-sparc64 but the support is not good enough for either of the BSPs we have.
2014-03-12T19:50:59  <kiwichris> I do not understand the nesting comment ?
2014-03-12T19:51:13  <gedare> my complaint about the name?
2014-03-12T19:51:15  <gedare> or something else
2014-03-12T19:51:34  <gedare> i reviewed so much code this week, i don't remember half of it.
2014-03-12T19:51:40  <kiwichris> hah
2014-03-12T19:52:30  <kiwichris> It is devel/qemu. Is this what you mean ?
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2014-03-12T19:53:21  <gedare> er, yeah
2014-03-12T19:53:43  <gedare> i guess it is, so it makes some sense..
2014-03-12T19:54:03  <gedare> i just found it by grepping for qemu, and went through the dtc.bset to find it referred in devel/qemu.
2014-03-12T19:54:06  <kiwichris> It follows the FreeBSD ports paths for such things
2014-03-12T19:54:12  <gedare> anyway, maybe i'll send you a patch for the doco.
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2014-03-12T19:54:40  <gedare> it's easy to do, but you have to know where to find the bset..
2014-03-12T19:55:12  <gedare> ok
2014-03-12T19:55:19  <gedare> i'm not familiar with just about anything freebsd.
2014-03-12T19:56:14  <gedare> ps welcome back to computer-world.
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2014-03-12T20:17:45  <kiwichris> thanks
2014-03-12T20:23:57  <gedare> a branch snapped off my tree and hit my roof :o
2014-03-12T20:24:06  <gedare> ls
2014-03-12T20:24:13  <gedare> whoops, this isn't a terminal...
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2014-03-13T01:49:20  <kanupatar> hi guys
2014-03-13T01:49:37  <kanupatar> I am a research student and interested to contribute in low level stuffs for open source projects...Do I have a chance here?
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2014-03-13T04:22:25  <sebhub> good morning
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2014-03-13T09:06:44  <edwardk> fwiw- i'd be willing to help out across orgs for anything using the succinct data structures machinery or involving getting haskell or haskell-generated code, etc. up on rtems.
2014-03-13T09:06:58  <edwardk> not sure if there is demand for either, but i figured i should offer
2014-03-13T09:18:41  <gedare> thanks edwardk, we have not seen any students with such interest, but we also have not been advertising such projects either.
2014-03-13T09:19:02  <gedare> rtems would probably welcome a haskell-on-rtems project, we have had success with such projects in the past.
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2014-03-13T19:00:54  <gedare> verm__: are you on rtems-devel mailing list?
2014-03-13T19:00:56  <gedare> if so kiwichris wants to bring your attention to the current thread on "Documentation".
2014-03-13T19:00:58  <kiwichris> I think he is on holidays
2014-03-13T19:00:59  <kiwichris> There are a couple of good options he has talked about.
2014-03-13T19:01:00  <kiwichris> Also trac will help for developer doco.
2014-03-13T19:01:03  <kiwichris> gedare, what host did you build qemu on ?
2014-03-13T19:01:05  <gedare> i use centos 6.5 x86_64
2014-03-13T19:01:05  <kiwichris> Nice
2014-03-13T19:01:28  <gedare> yeah. it seemed to work fine.
2014-03-13T19:01:41  <gedare> overall i'm vrey happy with RSB.
2014-03-13T19:01:56  <gedare> i hope to put some time into it and rtems-test soon, to add some configs i want.
2014-03-13T19:02:05  <gedare> gtg
2014-03-13T19:02:22  <kiwichris> great and thanks for doing this
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2014-03-13T19:27:25  <gedare> gotta do something while code compiles / benchmarks run. ;)
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2014-03-13T20:17:55  <rohitf> Hey,   I am interested in SuperCore scheduler project, but I am unable to contact the given mentor, Joel Sherrill. Please let me know, if there is way.
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2014-03-13T21:23:12  <cdesai> rohitf: have you tried email?
2014-03-13T21:24:14  <rohitf> yes, about 4 days back. But havn't got any response yet
2014-03-13T21:37:33  <atgreen> maybe I haven't been paying attention, but I have seen joel around fora a while.  Am I right?
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2014-03-14T00:06:12  <kiwichris> rohitf, try agin. He is around but it is the middle of night where he is at the moment
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2014-03-14T02:05:32  <sebhub> good morning
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2014-03-14T12:37:24  <gedare> kiwichris: ping
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2014-03-14T13:29:49  <gedare> getting outside for a bit, but I'm attempting to hack something in rtems-test to support gem5 simulating the sparc64/niagara.
2014-03-14T13:30:24  <gedare> I need to figure out how to attach a console (to localhost:3457) for I/O to the simulator.
2014-03-14T13:30:50  <gedare> i've started by copying rt/gdb.py, but maybe there is a better model to look at?
2014-03-14T13:34:27  <gedare> i guess i need to somehow setup a tty console after I start the simulator. I also need to use some expect scripting logic, which I saw in gdb.py which is why I started there.
2014-03-14T13:34:51  <gedare> when i do it manually, i use two terminals...
2014-03-14T13:35:01  <gedare> term1) build/SPARC/gem5.fast ../../gem5/configs/example/fs.py
2014-03-14T13:35:12  <gedare> term2) ./m5term localhost 3457
2014-03-14T13:35:49  <gedare> term2 is interactive, i have to specify the application to boot at a prompt 'ok'
2014-03-14T13:36:46  <gedare> on a related note, i tried to add gem5 to RSB but have some small problems. i'll debug or discuss with you later.
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2014-03-14T13:50:50  <gedare> thinking about rtems-test more, all i really need is to start the gem5.fast in one subprocess and let it go (maybe get the pid so I can kill it if needed), and then have an 'expect'-like script on a tty
2014-03-14T15:01:02  <kiwichris> gedare, hi
2014-03-14T15:01:07  <gedare> hi
2014-03-14T15:01:17  <kiwichris> for consoles there is a base class
2014-03-14T15:01:40  <gedare> advice on hooking one up to a network socket listening on port 3457?
2014-03-14T15:01:57  <kiwichris> telnet class in python and the console class
2014-03-14T15:02:08  <gedare> ok. i'll try to start from there
2014-03-14T15:02:16  <gedare> time permitting, almost out for the week. :)
2014-03-14T15:02:19  <kiwichris> Need to look at the code; just moved onto a new box
2014-03-14T15:02:25  <gedare> no rush
2014-03-14T15:02:37  <gedare> i'm chipping away at the sparc64 maintenance backlog
2014-03-14T15:02:47  <kiwichris> I will get back to you on this
2014-03-14T15:02:51  <kiwichris> nice
2014-03-14T15:03:02  <gedare> i'd like to get RSB and rtems-test support in place for it ahead of the release / migration, so it can be one of the first CI targets
2014-03-14T15:03:14  <gedare> or at least get it close to in place :)
2014-03-14T15:03:24  <kiwichris> hehe lovely
2014-03-14T15:03:51  <gedare> it is a useful test case because of the 64-bit stuff.
2014-03-14T15:04:45  <kiwichris> and also because of the RSB and test; the more that use it and make it do things the better it gets
2014-03-14T15:05:08  <gedare> yeah
2014-03-14T15:05:34  <gedare> who knows, maybe someone might even pay for work on it! ;)
2014-03-14T15:05:36  <kiwichris> just upgraded my build box to freebsd 10.0 from 9.1 and I have it rebuilding its world
2014-03-14T15:05:48  <gedare> ahhh
2014-03-14T15:06:16  <kiwichris> It updated cleanly but it is nice to rebuild everything after a major upgrade
2014-03-14T15:06:38  <gedare> yeah..
2014-03-14T15:06:56  <gedare> i spent 2 days this week trying to fix a problem that cropped up, i think it was due to upgraded packages
2014-03-14T15:07:04  <gedare> i never fixed it, but i found a work-around.
2014-03-14T15:11:22  <gedare> kiwichris: if i make a class e.g. 'telnet' derived from console, what is a good way to write a test for it?
2014-03-14T15:12:35  <kiwichris> look in an rt file say stty.py and there is a main bit at the bottom; use python stty.py etc to test it
2014-03-14T15:12:50  <kiwichris> The files contain unit tests if run by themselves
2014-03-14T15:13:00  <gedare> ok i kind of saw that and hoped that was the case
2014-03-14T15:13:01  <kiwichris> if that is possible
2014-03-14T15:28:59  <gedare> nice. telnetlib has an expect call, with a timeout.
2014-03-14T15:29:15  <gedare> looks like it should work..eventually
2014-03-14T15:29:37  <gedare> i managed to write a short python script that does basically what I want. now just to stitch it in to the rtems-test framework.
2014-03-14T15:31:53  <gedare>     session = telnetlib.Telnet(self.host, self.port)
2014-03-14T15:31:53  <gedare>     session.expect(["ok"])
2014-03-14T15:31:53  <gedare>     session.write("boot hello\n")
2014-03-14T15:31:53  <gedare>     session.read_all()
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2014-03-14T18:44:40  <gedare> kiwichris: i can't standalone test the modules in tester/rt, i get: ImportError: No module named rtemstoolkit
2014-03-14T18:45:00  <gedare> i guess this is something to do with where python searches for imports..
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2014-03-14T19:38:04  <gedare> kiwichris: i'm not getting a return from self.process.open(cmd), despite that the command terminates...
2014-03-14T19:38:12  <gedare> gtg
2014-03-14T19:39:08  <gedare> oh nvm... it did this time.
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2014-03-14T20:18:47  <kiwichris> gedare, use the execute.py module and do not directly use the subprocess call.
2014-03-14T20:19:07  <gedare> hey kiwichris . i'm following the gdb.py as a model...
2014-03-14T20:19:09  <kiwichris> this is a wrapper for that call and has been tested on windows, eyc
2014-03-14T20:19:23  <kiwichris> ah ok, let me look
2014-03-14T20:19:35  <gedare> self.process = execute.execute(output = self.output)
2014-03-14T20:19:41  <gedare> ec, proc = self.process.open(cmds, timeout = (timeout, self._timeout))
2014-03-14T20:19:51  <kiwichris> line ?
2014-03-14T20:20:14  <gedare> gdb.py:201-210
2014-03-14T20:20:40  <kiwichris> that is fine as process is an execute object
2014-03-14T20:20:47  <gedare> twice the program that got called has terminated without returning to the python script. but..
2014-03-14T20:20:54  <gedare> i do now have a hacked-together solution
2014-03-14T20:21:13  <gedare> i can run any test using gem5.py directly
2014-03-14T20:21:15  <kiwichris> no exceptions being thrown ?
2014-03-14T20:21:38  <gedare> dunno, i may have stripped out the catch
2014-03-14T20:21:43  <gedare> i removed a lot to make it simpler
2014-03-14T20:21:46  <kiwichris> there maybe something blocked on some IO
2014-03-14T20:21:57  <gedare> ok
2014-03-14T20:22:15  <kiwichris> there are around 2 or 3 threads started with the process
2014-03-14T20:22:19  <gedare> well, it's to an initially workable state now, so i can refine it from here and add back the locks and try-catch blocks
2014-03-14T20:22:33  <gedare> ok, i also create a new thread manually, to run the telnet session
2014-03-14T20:22:38  <kiwichris> you need to watch any threading issues and that is why there are locks
2014-03-14T20:22:41  <gedare> i can send you the gem5.py if you're curious.
2014-03-14T20:23:05  <gedare> ok then it could easily be that.. i took away the lock calls.
2014-03-14T20:23:08  <kiwichris> sure please do; I am cleaning out the old office today
2014-03-14T20:23:15  <gedare> k
2014-03-14T20:24:44  <gedare> I'll send to rtems email.. then i'm out, might get back to this sometime next week
2014-03-14T20:27:10  <gedare> kiwichris: http://pastebin.com/KuxFznVu
2014-03-14T20:27:33  <gedare> that pastebin expires in 24hrs, but it shows what the output looks like.
2014-03-14T20:29:15  <gedare> shelf: make sure to get a proposal submitted to Melange even just a placeholder is good to get in there
2014-03-14T20:31:23  <gedare> nn
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2014-03-15T15:47:51  <kiwichris> gedare, the test is looking ok
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2014-03-15T18:49:29  <gedare> yeah. just needs some refinement to eliminate hacks and to add back the locks
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2014-03-15T21:53:31  <atgreen> are there spec files for packaging RTEMs as an RPM anywhere?
2014-03-15T21:54:08  <atgreen> ah.. found it
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