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2014-01-13T00:58:00  <sebhub> good morning
2014-01-13T01:03:37  <kiwichri_> sebhub, hi
2014-01-13T01:03:43  <kiwichri_> sebhub, well back
2014-01-13T01:10:36  <cdesai> Morning
2014-01-13T01:17:46  <mkhoory> Just wondering... Is it considered inappropriate in the mailing list/IRC to compare RTEMS functions/performance to another RTOS (including proprietary ones)?
2014-01-13T01:31:00  <sebhub> yes, of course
2014-01-13T01:34:17  <mkhoory> ok, thanks.
2014-01-13T01:36:00  <kiwichri_> sebhub, http://www.rtems.org/ftp/pub/rtems/people/chrisj/rtems-test/log_xilinx_zynq_zc706
2014-01-13T01:36:12  <kiwichri_> an example of a log from testing on the zynq board
2014-01-13T01:56:18  <kiwichri_> sebhub, tests are failing because I am breaking on the bsp_reset and stdout has not completed flushing the test output.
2014-01-13T01:57:31  <sebhub> yes, this is a general problem with the tests on real hardware
2014-01-13T02:10:13  <kiwichri_> Any solutions in mind ?
2014-01-13T02:19:17  <kiwichri_> What about adding an 'rtems_test_start' and 'rtems_test_end' and in the end calling a weak linked function a BSP can overload where it can sleep.
2014-01-13T02:19:55  <kiwichri_> The rtems_test_start prints the *** START and rtems_test_end prints *** END
2014-01-13T02:34:00  <sebhub> yes, something like this would be nice
2014-01-13T02:34:56  <sebhub> previously I hacked the exit() function for this to add a sleep(), but this is nothing for the upstream
2014-01-13T02:35:26  <sebhub> it would be nice to have a customer project for this testing stuff
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2014-01-13T03:20:40  <kiwichri_> To clean up the tests in RTEMS ?
2014-01-13T03:21:02  <kiwichri_> I will look at adding this change to the tests, all 471 or them :(
2014-01-13T04:10:06  <kiwichri_> There is an rtems_test_end so it is not so bad to add
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2014-01-14T00:42:34  <sebhub> good morning
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2014-01-14T02:09:46  <nickwithers> (Belated) hell seb!
2014-01-14T02:09:54  <nickwithers> *hello, even :-P
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2014-01-14T05:15:33  <kiwichri_> sebhub, do you have a minute to chat testing frameworks.
2014-01-14T05:23:05  <sebhub> the meal is ready in one minute
2014-01-14T05:23:29  <sebhub> so maybe in one hour or is this too late?
2014-01-14T05:24:50  <kiwichri_> Too late.
2014-01-14T05:25:07  <kiwichri_> I have the mcf5235 testing over BDM and serial
2014-01-14T05:25:10  <kiwichri_> via gdb
2014-01-14T05:26:08  <kiwichri_> It is slooooow but I do not mind
2014-01-14T05:53:52  <kiwichri_> Just uploaded the latest rtems-test package with the mcf5235 support and working tty capture
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2014-01-14T22:57:13  <mkhoory> Hi kiwichri_ . I've been investigating the performance issues I'm getting from loading. The culprit seems to be the cache read functions. Specifically it's the memcpy and memmove operations that seem to take the most time. I'll see what I can do to improve the times.
2014-01-14T22:57:29  <mkhoory> I thought you might find this interesting
2014-01-14T23:13:00  <kiwichri_> Great and thanks
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2014-01-15T01:08:54  <sebhub> good morning
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2014-01-15T04:22:12  <nickwithers> sebhub: You happen to have an MVME3100 or other MOTLoad-based SBC handy?
2014-01-15T04:22:30  <sebhub> no
2014-01-15T04:22:57  <nickwithers> kk :-)
2014-01-15T04:22:59  <nickwithers> Ta
2014-01-15T04:23:09  <sebhub> we have mpc55xx, mpc56xx, mpc83xx and qoriq boards
2014-01-15T04:24:27  <nickwithers> I *think* I've found a serious breakage in the MVME3100 BSP (and possibly others that just use MOTLoad's memory mappings as they come) and am about to mail as such (with a test case) to rtems-users@... But it's kinda a big call
2014-01-15T04:25:07  <sebhub> is this related to your flash problems?
2014-01-15T04:25:15  <nickwithers> Nope
2014-01-15T04:25:43  <nickwithers> I just cause problems all over the shop!
2014-01-15T04:26:40  <nickwithers> Would you mind if I emailed you with the message I'm about to send, just for a second-eye?
2014-01-15T04:26:57  <sebhub> ok
2014-01-15T04:27:31  <nickwithers> Thanks very much, you 'n' Chris particularly have been spectacularly helpful :-P
2014-01-15T04:29:23  <sebhub> no problem
2014-01-15T04:31:35  <nickwithers> Righto... 'Tis on its way
2014-01-15T04:37:06  <sebhub> why can you use the reserved area once the RTEMS application runs?
2014-01-15T04:37:45  <sebhub> isn't it only reserved during the MOTLoad operation?
2014-01-15T04:38:33  <nickwithers> Not even MOTLoad reserves it from itself (you can "testRam" over the region and it'll potentially machine check)
2014-01-15T04:38:47  <nickwithers> *checks
2014-01-15T04:38:53  <nickwithers> *Nope :-P
2014-01-15T04:39:44  <sebhub> which processor core have these boards?
2014-01-15T04:39:52  <nickwithers> MPC8540
2014-01-15T04:39:59  <sebhub> so e500
2014-01-15T04:40:01  <nickwithers> Aye
2014-01-15T04:40:12  <sebhub> and which type of memory is in this area?
2014-01-15T04:40:17  <nickwithers> DDR
2014-01-15T04:40:28  <nickwithers> I should include some doco links
2014-01-15T04:41:31  <sebhub> does it use the TLB1 MMU settings?
2014-01-15T04:42:08  <nickwithers> There I'm afraid I don't really know, and would like to know how to check (apparently there's no GDB "info tlb"?) but I'd *guess* so, yes
2014-01-15T04:42:28  <sebhub> we use the Lauterbach for debugging
2014-01-15T04:42:48  <nickwithers> Ah - good point, maybe my BDI-3000 could tell me
2014-01-15T04:45:17  <nickwithers> I've found it very hard to *just* be an "application developer" on RTEMS :-P
2014-01-15T04:46:37  <sebhub> yes, but there is commercial support available that can help you here ;-)
2014-01-15T04:46:58  <nickwithers> Hehe - good point!
2014-01-15T04:48:15  <nickwithers> So where to from here, d'you think? Should I email that off to rtems-users@? -devel@? Add more info?
2014-01-15T04:49:04  <sebhub> for me is unclear, why a store/load to normal DDR memory can yield this behaviour
2014-01-15T04:50:56  <nickwithers> I *thought* it's because, although the range [0, DDR_TOP) is supposedly allocated to DDR, MOTLoad's "reserved" it and mapped it to something in hardware (there's a PLD on this board)
2014-01-15T04:51:14  <nickwithers> However, I've also had trouble GDB "loading" onto the board
2014-01-15T04:51:39  <sebhub> i would look at the MMU tables for this area first
2014-01-15T04:51:45  <nickwithers> Where, although $pc's set to __rtems_entry_point, an "si" lands you somewhere whacky
2014-01-15T04:52:00  <nickwithers> Righto - thanks!
2014-01-15T04:53:32  <nickwithers> Very much appreciate your time, this is over my head (not that I want it to remain that way, but I'm on a limited time contract to produce an app so figure that's gotta be my priority!)
2014-01-15T04:54:26  <sebhub> did you start with rtems on this board from scratch?
2014-01-15T04:55:02  <nickwithers> As in, without prior RTEMS / this-board experience?
2014-01-15T04:55:31  <sebhub> yes
2014-01-15T04:55:47  <nickwithers> Yep. New to both (well, I guess it's been 7 months now!)
2014-01-15T04:57:28  <sebhub> my experience is that it pays of to ask a specialized company to do the initial steps and get to a state in which you can use all necessary drivers and
2014-01-15T04:57:48  <sebhub> start with application code
2014-01-15T04:58:53  <nickwithers> I suppose that's my "complaint" really - I thought it *was* in that state!
2014-01-15T04:59:32  <nickwithers> I hadn't heard of RTEMS except that another recently developed application runs on EPICS on RTEMS on the MVME3100
2014-01-15T04:59:59  <nickwithers> This is one of the reasons I like the idea of advertising "Tier 1" BSPs, as I've mentioned
2014-01-15T05:00:15  <nickwithers> So that at least it's *clear* to prospective users what state BSPs are in...
2014-01-15T05:00:21  <sebhub> i hope we get to that point
2014-01-15T05:00:46  <sebhub> the problem is someone has to do the work
2014-01-15T05:00:49  <nickwithers> In fairness - bloody tricky with 3-odd developers!
2014-01-15T05:00:51  <nickwithers> yep
2014-01-15T05:01:22  <nickwithers> And you probably like to eat and feed the family, too :-)
2014-01-15T05:01:46  <sebhub> yes, its not a free time job ;-)
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2014-01-15T05:03:39  <nickwithers> Well I'll let ya go - thanks again! I'll get some TLB / mapping details :-)
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2014-01-16T00:44:00  <sebhub> good morning
2014-01-16T00:46:59  <kiwichri_> sebhub, hi
2014-01-16T00:47:41  <kiwichri_> sis simulator fails because the termios setup it has must not be working when the host is under load so the UART read polls stdin and it blocks.
2014-01-16T00:48:52  <sebhub> oh
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2014-01-16T01:03:45  <nickwithers> Hey seb, el' kiwi
2014-01-16T01:04:26  <sebhub> hi nick, so you fixed the boot problems?
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2014-01-16T01:20:18  <nickwithers> Did indeed - thanks very much for your prodding :-)
2014-01-16T01:20:47  <nickwithers> I was very scared that that was gonna be a show-stopper on that hardware
2014-01-16T01:21:24  <nickwithers> Also got the JFFS2 stuff working (for which I'll submit a patch tomorrow)
2014-01-16T01:23:27  <nickwithers> (c/src/lib/libbsp/powerpc/shared/flash/flash.c was a bit over-zealous with its region checking and wanted everything to be 0xFF on a write otherwise would erase, rather than just "no bits need to be set")
2014-01-16T01:36:26  <sebhub> yeah, the mysterious "ERASING DONE" messages?
2014-01-16T01:36:37  <nickwithers> Yep, you hit that one on the head
2014-01-16T01:36:59  <sebhub> i had a similar problem during testing of the jffs2 port
2014-01-16T01:37:41  <nickwithers> I guess I'm glad :-P
2014-01-16T01:39:58  <nickwithers> Well, cheers again, I'm off!
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2014-01-18T11:57:29  <MastedChief> Hello, which "configure" I need to run to build RTEMS? one is located in root of rtems-4.10.2.tar.bz2 and another one is located in c/src directoru
2014-01-18T11:57:36  <MastedChief> *directory
2014-01-18T11:58:12  <MastedChief> what is difference between them?
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2014-01-18T13:51:02  <MastedChief> what is difference between RTEMS_BSP= and --enable-rtemsbsp= ?
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2014-01-19T22:24:24  <kiwichris> http://wiki.rtems.org/wiki/index.php/RTEMS_Tester
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