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2013-07-08T01:46:08  <sebhub> good morning
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2013-07-08T08:47:58  <DrJoel> peerst what's your email? I need to ask you a question offline?
2013-07-08T08:54:56  <S_Somani> DrJoel: Hi, seeing you online after a long time :)
2013-07-08T08:55:29  <DrJoel> sebhub: does the latest csb IRQ patch look ok?
2013-07-08T08:55:46  <DrJoel> S_Somani: Yes.. have been on travel a LOT.. was in Munich for 11 days.. then back in time for holidays
2013-07-08T08:56:36  <S_Somani> nice!
2013-07-08T08:58:24  <sebhub> no, the latest patch is not ok
2013-07-08T08:59:39  <sebhub> but it is close
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2013-07-08T09:32:45  <peerst> drjoel: you still there?
2013-07-08T09:34:08  <DrJoel> yep.. leaving for customer site in a few minutes but still here
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2013-07-09T02:11:14  <sebhub> good morning
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2013-07-09T09:10:49  <weiY> Hi sebhub, are you around?
2013-07-09T09:11:06  <sebhub> yes
2013-07-09T09:11:08  <sebhub> hi
2013-07-09T09:11:59  <weiY> Hi, i want to add the conditinal check to rtems, if some architecture support stdatomic.h we will build with atomic enable
2013-07-09T09:12:58  <weiY> should i can just check whether the toolchain for the architecture has stdatomic.h file?
2013-07-09T09:14:19  <sebhub> hm, yes, but you should try to link a simple program using stdatomic.h
2013-07-09T09:14:51  <sebhub> because all newlib targets will have this file, but i am not sure if the gcc provides the builtins for all targets
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2013-07-09T09:16:37  <weiY> yeah, i can try to build a program using stdatomic.h when configure,  whether there are some examples like this kind
2013-07-09T09:17:19  <weiY> maybe it should modify the configure.ac
2013-07-09T09:17:49  <weiY> or i can add a enable-xxx option to configure.ac
2013-07-09T09:17:56  <sebhub> unfortunately i am not an autoconf expert, but there are some examples in cpukit/configure.ac
2013-07-09T09:18:12  <sebhub> no enable-xxx option please
2013-07-09T09:19:09  <weiY> ok, enable-xxx is superfluous
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2013-07-09T20:21:50  <the9a3eedi> Is there any way of finding out if a particular file is already open? and does the open() command fail for a file that is already open?
2013-07-09T20:22:18  <kiwichris> No it does not.
2013-07-09T20:22:34  <kiwichris> It follows the POSIX standard.
2013-07-09T20:23:50  <kiwichris> I suggest you head over the Open Group and take a look at the Single Unix Specification ...
2013-07-09T20:23:51  <kiwichris> https://www2.opengroup.org/ogsys/catalog/t101
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2013-07-09T22:34:27  <the9a3eedi> I realize it's following the POSIX standard. But I did hear there are a few exceptions and I was hoping that may be one of them
2013-07-09T22:36:06  <kiwichris> What are the exceptions ?
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2013-07-09T23:02:52  <the9a3eedi> kiwichris, I mean I read somewhere that it doesn't fully follow the POSIX standard
2013-07-09T23:03:02  <the9a3eedi> but perhaps I remembered wrongly
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2013-07-11T01:52:29  <sebhub> good morning
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2013-07-11T09:05:36  <dhananjay> kiwichris_: around?
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2013-07-11T09:46:58  <gedare> dhananjay: he probably wont' be around for awhile. it is the middle of the night where he lives.
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2013-07-11T10:04:37  <gedare> dhananjay: can you post a status update to your blog or rtems-devel i would like to get an idea how your work is going
2013-07-11T10:06:04  <dhananjay> gedare: Yes. I am writing one now - will be up by night.
2013-07-11T10:06:09  <gedare> superb
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2013-07-11T12:21:31  <cafi> hi
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2013-07-11T12:22:17  <cafi> I'm trying to install rtems4.11 tools  on ubuntu 64
2013-07-11T12:26:40  <cafi> and I'm receiving this error   : ...tools/toolchain/build/b-gcc/gcc  no rule  to make target  install   ???
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2013-07-11T14:07:58  <gedare> hey cafi.
2013-07-11T14:08:28  <gedare> you might like to try out the rtems source builder: http://www.rtems.org/wiki/index.php/RTEMS_Source_Builder
2013-07-11T14:08:56  <gedare> cafi, RSB helps to build the toolchain from source, and also will compile RTEMS targets for you. it has a small learning curve but i think is simpler than trying to compile tools manually on your own.
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2013-07-11T14:46:44  <cafi> tks  gedare I will try
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2013-07-11T22:45:24  <freenix> hi, kiwichris_
2013-07-11T22:45:33  <kiwichris_> freenix, hi
2013-07-11T22:45:53  <freenix> did you see the comments that i reply to you?
2013-07-11T22:45:58  <freenix> about the align related problem
2013-07-11T22:46:00  <kiwichris_> Great work on the align issue
2013-07-11T22:46:04  <freenix> thanks
2013-07-11T22:46:15  <freenix> any advice about this?
2013-07-11T22:46:27  <kiwichris_> Can you hard code into the output the aligns based on the arch ?
2013-07-11T22:46:50  <kiwichris_> The file is built by a C compiler and it should have a prefine of the arch you are on
2013-07-11T22:47:10  <freenix> but how to pass it to the awk script?
2013-07-11T22:47:21  <freenix> what option do you prefer?
2013-07-11T22:47:25  <kiwichris_> Use the common case of balign 1 then for MIPs use its option
2013-07-11T22:47:32  <freenix> ok
2013-07-11T22:47:42  <kiwichris_> No need, just hard code the logic and let the compiler figure it out
2013-07-11T22:48:25  <freenix> can you explain this? sorry
2013-07-11T22:48:28  <kiwichris_> Here is a neat trick from Joel I use often ?.
2013-07-11T22:48:30  <kiwichris_> gcc -dM -E - </dev/null
2013-07-11T22:48:41  <kiwichris_> and replace gcc with the arch RTEMS gcc
2013-07-11T22:48:54  <freenix> ok.
2013-07-11T22:49:01  <kiwichris_> Then do a '#if __i386__ ?.'
2013-07-11T22:49:14  <kiwichris_> or i386 or the one for arm or mips etc
2013-07-11T22:49:21  <freenix> #if __i386__ in where? in wscript?
2013-07-11T22:49:38  <kiwichris_> no no, in the output of the awk script
2013-07-11T22:49:55  <freenix> can awk script interpret "#if" ?
2013-07-11T22:50:36  <kiwichris_> No, it is in the C file being created
2013-07-11T22:50:48  <freenix> ok. got it. thanks.
2013-07-11T22:51:02  <kiwichris_> hehe great, this is a simple trick and requires no options or settings
2013-07-11T22:51:10  <freenix> I'll make this a seperate patch.
2013-07-11T22:51:15  <kiwichris_> Nice.
2013-07-11T22:51:21  <freenix> thanks.
2013-07-11T22:51:25  <kiwichris_> I think it will be in c_trailer
2013-07-11T22:51:41  <kiwichris_> in the awk script
2013-07-11T22:52:10  <freenix> yeah.
2013-07-11T22:52:11  <kiwichris_> something like " print ("#if __mips__")"
2013-07-11T22:52:51  <freenix> yeah.
2013-07-11T22:53:00  <kiwichris_> It took a bit of time to figure out the correct solution and your testing of what worked and what did not was the key
2013-07-11T22:53:34  <freenix> This is really a good solution. :)
2013-07-11T22:53:34  <kiwichris_> The less options we have for a user to have to set the better user experience we will create
2013-07-11T22:54:22  <freenix> Got it. thanks for your help.
2013-07-11T22:54:28  <kiwichris_> I think this awk script should be code in C++ and added to the linker
2013-07-11T22:54:35  <kiwichris_> once fixed :)
2013-07-11T22:54:53  <freenix> how about a seperate patch for this align problem?
2013-07-11T22:54:56  <kiwichris_> Yes
2013-07-11T22:55:00  <kiwichris_> good idea
2013-07-11T22:55:08  <freenix> ok
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2013-07-12T12:57:13  <peerst> drjoel: which emulator do you use for powerpc testing
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2013-07-13T02:13:06  <cafi> hi
2013-07-13T02:16:51  <cafi> I'm trying to compile rtems and i 'm  receiving this error "checking for arm-rtems4.11-gcc ..... no   \ error no acceptable cc found in PATH "
2013-07-13T02:17:41  <cafi> any idea why ?
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2013-07-14T18:52:52  <freenix> hi, kiwichris__
2013-07-14T18:53:04  <kiwichris__> hi
2013-07-14T18:53:23  <freenix> I want to ask about the local symbols problem
2013-07-14T18:53:27  <kiwichris__> sure
2013-07-14T18:53:49  <freenix> did you saw the comments on my github project?
2013-07-14T18:53:55  <freenix> about this problem
2013-07-14T18:53:57  <kiwichris__> Which one ?
2013-07-14T18:54:00  <kiwichris__> link ?
2013-07-14T18:54:04  <freenix> https://github.com/MrVan/gsoc2013-rtl/commit/452dbd97a99961b0ea2bece02086d8e893301577
2013-07-14T18:54:51  <kiwichris__> just on the phone, please hang on
2013-07-14T18:54:56  <freenix> ok.
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2013-07-14T19:27:24  <kiwichris__> freenix, hi
2013-07-14T19:27:32  <freenix> hi, kiwichris__
2013-07-14T19:28:03  <kiwichris__> Without looking at the details I am a little confused why local symbols are needed.
2013-07-14T19:28:26  <kiwichris__> I understand they are present but are these ARM relocs ?
2013-07-14T19:28:34  <freenix> for example, file1.o contains ".LC0", and file2.o contains ".LC0"
2013-07-14T19:29:02  <kiwichris__> and they reference a tezt string etc in that file ?
2013-07-14T19:29:09  <kiwichris__> or something ?
2013-07-14T19:29:21  <freenix> yeah, a string
2013-07-14T19:29:32  <kiwichris__> Is the reference absolute or relative ?
2013-07-14T19:29:44  <freenix> wait, I check
2013-07-14T19:32:50  <freenix> absolute
2013-07-14T19:32:56  <freenix> hi, kiwichris__
2013-07-14T19:33:06  <freenix> they are absolute
2013-07-14T19:33:18  <kiwichris__> hmm ok
2013-07-14T19:33:32  <freenix> like this:movw  r0, #0
2013-07-14T19:33:39  <freenix> R_ARM_THM_MOVW_ABS_NC .LC0
2013-07-14T19:34:51  <freenix> I encounter this on the arm realview bsp, but on s3c6410, this problem does not exsit
2013-07-14T19:35:15  <kiwichris__> So this is a relocation and not a symbol issue
2013-07-14T19:36:06  <kiwichris__> This means we should not add the symbols to the symbol table in the file the target gets but we need to add the relocation fixup records
2013-07-14T19:37:02  <freenix> ok. then I should think how to add such fixups
2013-07-14T19:37:59  <kiwichris__> this means rtems-ld rap converter needs to process each relocat record and find the symbol and therefore the offset in the RAP for the specific section and create the relocation record to update the image when being loaded.
2013-07-14T19:38:52  <kiwichris__> There should be a reloc record for the reference .LC0 symbol. I would add some test code to have these printed.
2013-07-14T19:39:07  <kiwichris__> If there is no reloc record the symbol is not needed
2013-07-14T19:39:18  <kiwichris__> all in rtems-ld
2013-07-14T19:39:23  <freenix> ok.
2013-07-14T19:40:11  <kiwichris__> the symbol will reference a section in the object file being processed so you have the offset into the specific section and you need to map that to the RAP section
2013-07-14T19:40:32  <freenix> a special section will be added to the rap file?
2013-07-14T19:41:32  <kiwichris__> for example it may be in called 'chris_special_section' and that has been merged in .const so the symbol offset is the base of 'chris_special_section' on .const plus the offset in actual offset
2013-07-14T19:42:12  <kiwichris__> No they are all merged and so you need to get the base offset of the symbols section in the merged section and add the symbols offset
2013-07-14T19:42:54  <kiwichris__> I think there are methods in the RAP to find these things out
2013-07-14T19:43:03  <kiwichris__> RAP code I mean
2013-07-14T19:43:25  <freenix> ok. it may take me some time to absorb what you suggest.
2013-07-14T19:43:53  <kiwichris__> I am sure. It is actually part of the linking phase.
2013-07-14T19:44:34  <kiwichris__> In other words all we are doing is part of the target linking process but on the host when uysing the RAP format
2013-07-14T19:44:50  <kiwichris__> Can you load the ELF on the target as an ELF file ?
2013-07-14T19:45:04  <freenix> I have not tried elf loading.
2013-07-14T19:45:13  <kiwichris__> I would try that for ARM
2013-07-14T19:45:15  <freenix> only rap, and ar format
2013-07-14T19:45:23  <freenix> ok. I 'll try it
2013-07-14T19:45:30  <kiwichris__> Ah ok, we need to be able to support loading ELF files as well.
2013-07-14T19:45:34  <kiwichris__> for all archs
2013-07-14T19:45:46  <kiwichris__> This is something needed when debugging
2013-07-14T19:46:09  <kiwichris__> because gdb works with ELF files
2013-07-14T19:46:35  <kiwichris__> If you load the ELF file you will see a reloc record that references the .LC0 symbol
2013-07-14T19:47:10  <kiwichris__> Watch what happens and the only difference for the RAP processing on the host is extra offset for the merged section.
2013-07-14T19:48:15  <freenix> can we modified the .LC0' reloc entry to a section plus an offset?
2013-07-14T19:48:46  <freenix> because 'LC0' is always reside in a section.
2013-07-14T19:49:30  <freenix> ok. I'll try to use gdb and qemu to see what happens when loading elf file
2013-07-14T19:50:12  <kiwichris__> The offset is in the image and is typically the offset from the specific section the symbol is in. All we are doing is merging sections. If the section is the 1st in the merged RAP section the offset does not change
2013-07-14T19:50:31  <freenix> yeah.
2013-07-14T19:51:09  <freenix> but if the section is not the first, the size of the first sections should be added the offset
2013-07-14T19:51:13  <freenix> right?
2013-07-14T19:51:17  <kiwichris__> If it is after a section of 12345 bytes then the next section's alignment moves the address to the next aligned location and so the offset present has say 12346 added
2013-07-14T19:51:42  <kiwichris__> if the alignment is 2
2013-07-14T19:52:07  <freenix> ok. I missed the alignment
2013-07-14T19:52:33  <kiwichris__> The RAP converted is full of alignment checks and adjustments
2013-07-14T19:52:40  <kiwichris__> converted -> converter
2013-07-14T19:52:52  <freenix> got it.
2013-07-14T19:53:12  <kiwichris__> great and this is a nice task to work on
2013-07-14T19:53:37  <kiwichris__> It can also be arch independent and this makes the change a good one
2013-07-14T19:53:53  <freenix> yeah. I think this is a challenge
2013-07-14T19:56:14  <freenix> Thanks for this. I think i should try to learn what you suggested, and then dig into to host side to add something that can handle the 'LC0'
2013-07-14T19:56:50  <freenix> anyhow, first load the elf to see what happens about 'LC0'
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