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2013-06-17T01:50:11  <sebhub> good morning
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2013-06-17T02:18:16  <kiwichris> sebhub, around ?
2013-06-17T02:19:01  <kiwichris> sebhub, what is the magic to change the default serial port ? The zynq eval board defaults to UART1
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2013-06-17T02:22:39  <sebhub> hi chris, ric also asked about this
2013-06-17T02:23:06  <sebhub> to avoid hacks we have to change the probe function
2013-06-17T02:25:24  <kiwichris> probe function ?
2013-06-17T02:25:49  <sebhub> console_fns in <libchip/serial.h>
2013-06-17T02:28:13  <kiwichris> Yeah ok sure, but in what way ? The serial.h gives me little to go on.
2013-06-17T02:28:36  <kiwichris> I return true when the BSP says this is the default or the chip is present ?
2013-06-17T02:29:02  <sebhub> hm, there is also a bsp_console_select()
2013-06-17T02:29:10  <sebhub> this console driver stuff is a mess
2013-06-17T02:29:14  <kiwichris> Yeah
2013-06-17T02:29:46  <sebhub> hold on I will send a patch
2013-06-17T02:29:59  <kiwichris> for ?
2013-06-17T02:30:10  <sebhub> the console minor number selection
2013-06-17T02:31:02  <kiwichris> oh great a bsp_console_select that uses printk
2013-06-17T02:31:09  <kiwichris> thanks
2013-06-17T02:31:36  <sebhub> wow
2013-06-17T02:32:53  <kiwichris> Must have been developed on a PC with video memory
2013-06-17T02:34:20  <kiwichris> The xilinx bootgen tool is a bit of a hack. It expands the .bss section as 0s in the output image !!
2013-06-17T02:34:42  <sebhub> this is stupid
2013-06-17T02:35:07  <kiwichris> It also includes .init/.fini sections in a first stage boot loader :)
2013-06-17T02:35:29  <kiwichris> A 1st stage boot loader that supports static destructors
2013-06-17T02:36:29  <kiwichris> need to head off for a bit; back later
2013-06-17T02:37:35  <kiwichris> by the way hello seems to run part from no output cause the serial->usb module on the eval board is wired to UART1
2013-06-17T02:37:48  <kiwichris> I do not know what Ric was seeing with the thumb mode code failing
2013-06-17T02:38:05  <sebhub> this was likely a debugger problem with ARM/Thumb
2013-06-17T02:38:06  <kiwichris> He had not built RSB tools so I am not sure what tools he is using
2013-06-17T02:38:24  <kiwichris> Ah ok. What debugger is he using ?
2013-06-17T02:38:33  <sebhub> the xilinx on, xdm or so
2013-06-17T02:39:33  <kiwichris> ah yes he is
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2013-06-17T02:42:21  <kiwichris> verm__, removed the -I/usr/local from the RSB on FreeBSD. Screwed up arm gdb in a silent way where I go the "Dave I am sorry .." message.
2013-06-17T02:42:55  <verm__> that breaks everything else then
2013-06-17T02:43:03  <verm__> oh wait
2013-06-17T02:43:15  <verm__> nevermind i build without /usr/local anyway because that broke everything for me
2013-06-17T02:43:36  <kiwichris> yeah so the fix is pushed. I wonder why I added it in the first place ?
2013-06-17T02:43:45  <verm__> no idea
2013-06-17T02:43:49  <kiwichris> yeah same :)
2013-06-17T02:43:57  <verm__> probably to get a dependency and doing that worked at the time
2013-06-17T02:44:18  <kiwichris> anyway built gcc-4.8.1 with a full updated freebsd-9.1 set of ports
2013-06-17T02:44:58  <kiwichris> maybe; I am building with a native gcc-4.7 now
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2013-06-17T03:04:08  <sebhub> http://git.rtems.org/rtems/commit/c/src/lib/libbsp/arm/xilinx-zynq?id=cf46db85169d123d1071ef8f3f063f16c2f00d0f
2013-06-17T03:04:36  <sebhub> you can set now the console device via a bsp option: BSP_CONSOLE_MINOR
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2013-06-17T10:07:38  <weiY> Hi, sebhub. good night
2013-06-17T10:07:45  <sebhub> hi
2013-06-17T10:07:48  <weiY> i have see your mail
2013-06-17T10:08:22  <sebhub> ok
2013-06-17T10:08:36  <weiY> and now my rtems is clone from github. and does this repo have smp support for the bsp you said in the mail
2013-06-17T10:09:07  <weiY> and my patch will push into the github also
2013-06-17T10:11:05  <sebhub> ok, we should integrate your works as soon as possible
2013-06-17T10:11:21  <sebhub> so you should send primarily patches to the rtems-devel list
2013-06-17T10:11:58  <weiY> ok, then i should clone the repo from the rtems.git not github
2013-06-17T10:11:59  <sebhub> all my smp work is in the master repo
2013-06-17T10:12:10  <weiY> because the github code is not updated
2013-06-17T10:12:12  <weiY> ok
2013-06-17T10:12:19  <sebhub> rtems.git, i don't know how up to date the github stuff is
2013-06-17T10:12:30  <sebhub> i hope its in sync
2013-06-17T10:15:12  <weiY> it is updated a month ago
2013-06-17T10:15:24  <sebhub> please use the latest
2013-06-17T10:15:43  <weiY> ok
2013-06-17T10:29:19  <sebhub> the stdatomic.h should work on all architectures supported by GCC and RTEMS
2013-06-17T10:29:55  <sebhub> i thing we need only support for atomic pointers and an unsinged integer
2013-06-17T10:32:32  <weiY> it also support the architecture without atomic instruction?
2013-06-17T10:34:54  <sebhub> gcc will emit function calls in this case, these functions must be provided by the OS
2013-06-17T10:35:56  <sebhub> sry, have to leave now the office, cu
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2013-06-17T10:36:07  <weiY> you mean that for those architectures we must implement it
2013-06-17T10:36:08  <weiY> ok
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2013-06-17T21:03:09  <the9a3eedi> If I had a question about how RTL and RAP works, should I send to the users or the developers mailing list?
2013-06-17T21:24:59  <kiwichris> Ask here
2013-06-17T21:25:19  <kiwichris> If I am here I am happy to answer. The IRC is archived
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2013-06-17T23:38:31  <the9a3eedi-2> kiwichris, very well, but I thought it would be more suitable for a mailing list
2013-06-17T23:40:04  <the9a3eedi-2> well, my question is.. the RAP program on the host collects the object files and turns them into a dynamic library which are then loaded by the RTL on the target, correct? From what I understood, the undefined references are resolved by RTL during run-time
2013-06-17T23:40:37  <the9a3eedi-2> My question is, why aren't they resolved when the rap file is actualy being created on the host? Since the RAP program needs the target executable anyway, it would know the exact memory location of every symbol, right?
2013-06-17T23:41:34  <the9a3eedi-2> I also have another question.. is there some kind of document I can read that describes the algorithms RTEMS uses to demonstrate its real-time capabilities? For example its memory allocator
2013-06-17T23:48:04  <kiwichris> the9a3eedi-2, first yes the symbols are resolved when loading and if not the object is flags as having unresolved
2013-06-17T23:48:09  <kiwichris> symbols
2013-06-17T23:49:00  <kiwichris> the9a3eedi-2, you may have a few modules that depend on each other and it they mutually depend you need to be able to load modules with unresolved errors
2013-06-17T23:49:51  <kiwichris> the9a3eedi-2, what do you mean demonstrate ? do you mean document ?
2013-06-17T23:50:10  <the9a3eedi-2> well, not demonstrate, more like "explain"
2013-06-17T23:50:48  <the9a3eedi-2> as for RTL, it makes sense now, thanks.
2013-06-17T23:55:26  <kiwichris> With RTL you can load ELF files and you can incrementally link ELF files into a single ELF file.
2013-06-17T23:56:22  <kiwichris> RTEMS as an RTOS is deterministic. The time to create, delete, and switch tasks is fixed and do not vary with the number of tasks in the system
2013-06-17T23:57:51  <kiwichris> The latency of the is period to do something such as enter an interrupt and is around the best of the other RTOSs you can find.
2013-06-17T23:58:38  <kiwichris> By the way the RTL only knows the final address when the code is loaded into memory
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2013-06-18T01:31:00  <the9a3eedi-2> kiwichris, I realize it's deterministic, but I was wondering if there were benchmark papers or comparisons, or documents that explain _why_ it's deterministic
2013-06-18T01:40:00  <kiwichris> Not that I know of. The code is where this resides
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2013-06-18T01:46:27  <sebhub> good morning
2013-06-18T02:00:53  <kiwichris> sebhub, hi
2013-06-18T02:01:38  <kiwichris> the zynq paranoia fails attempting to add a node in the FS for the console driver :(
2013-06-18T02:06:03  <sebhub> if you use minor number 1 for the console?
2013-06-18T02:07:49  <kiwichris> yes
2013-06-18T02:08:19  <kiwichris> Set with my patch adding a Console_Configuration_Port_Minor as a weak symbol.
2013-06-18T02:08:49  <kiwichris> Why would a minor number of 1 make a difference ?
2013-06-18T02:09:05  <sebhub> i don't have this global variable
2013-06-18T02:11:35  <sebhub> paranoia works on the latest git master with  BSP_CONSOLE_MINOR=1
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2013-06-18T02:43:46  <the9a3eedi-3> kiwichris, thanks for the info
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2013-06-18T03:10:32  <sebhub> i write currently something about the BSP start on ARM
2013-06-18T03:32:46  <kiwichris> sebhub, I will try this. I have the memory map changed to reflect the memory teh FSBL creates
2013-06-18T03:32:57  <kiwichris> thanks for this. The arm start up is nice
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2013-06-18T18:06:17  <freenix> hi,kiwichris
2013-06-18T18:08:08  <kiwichris> freenix, just popping out for a few minutes then back
2013-06-18T18:08:38  <freenix> ok. Thanks.
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2013-06-19T01:47:58  <sebhub> good morning
2013-06-19T01:55:29  <kiwichris> sebhub, hi
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2013-06-19T02:05:27  <sebhub> which return code is ignored in rtems_filesystem_eval_path_continue()?
2013-06-19T02:13:07  <kiwichris> just looking
2013-06-19T02:14:40  <kiwichris> sup_fs_eval_path.c:114
2013-06-19T02:15:08  <kiwichris> Also I am getting some sort of exception in memcpy (I think)
2013-06-19T02:18:41  <kiwichris> I need to head out for a while
2013-06-19T02:19:47  <kiwichris> sebhub, also if I can build a DWARF2 ARM tool set with the RSB would that help solve your DWARF3/4 issue ?
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2013-06-19T05:57:52  <kiwichris> sebhub, is 'bx lr' an ok thumb instruction ?
2013-06-19T05:59:17  <sebhub> yes
2013-06-19T06:00:39  <kiwichris> I am failing here. The exception catch code is nice. Thanks for this.
2013-06-19T06:00:53  <kiwichris> The lr registers as an odd number
2013-06-19T06:00:58  <kiwichris> as -> has
2013-06-19T06:01:11  <kiwichris> I suspect that is the reason for the failure
2013-06-19T06:01:13  <sebhub> yes, this means that the target code is in thumb mode
2013-06-19T06:01:23  <kiwichris> Oh lr can be odd ?
2013-06-19T06:01:38  <sebhub> yes, its special for arm/thumb interwork
2013-06-19T06:02:04  <sebhub> bit 0 indicates the mode, 0 = arm, 1 = thumb
2013-06-19T06:02:09  <kiwichris> The lr points to rubish
2013-06-19T06:02:16  <kiwichris> Ok
2013-06-19T06:02:31  <sebhub> a stack problem?
2013-06-19T06:04:21  <kiwichris> No sure. I need to figure out the specific path to this call.
2013-06-19T06:04:45  <kiwichris> I have Ric's cp15 VBAR hack in at the moment. I will try your patch tomorrow.
2013-06-19T06:05:01  <sebhub> i checked in the uart fix, can you test it please
2013-06-19T06:05:12  <sebhub> qemu still works with it
2013-06-19T06:05:27  <kiwichris> At least the VBAR patch catches the exception. Before it ran into the FSBL's table and that returned
2013-06-19T06:05:36  <kiwichris> Great. I will test the patch tomorrow
2013-06-19T06:05:41  <sebhub> ok
2013-06-19T06:05:59  <sebhub> the standard arm vector table is at 0x0
2013-06-19T06:06:16  <kiwichris> The baudrate code is interesting cause you need to search for suitables values for both registers
2013-06-19T06:06:19  <sebhub> this VBAR stuff is quite new and a Security  Extension
2013-06-19T06:06:54  <kiwichris> VBAR to move vectors has been around since the early '90s. It is a very good idea for all sorts of reasons.
2013-06-19T06:06:56  <sebhub> yes, hardware developers should write drivers for their stuff
2013-06-19T06:07:21  <sebhub> hm, but not for the arm?
2013-06-19T06:07:22  <kiwichris> haha now you are just being silly
2013-06-19T06:07:59  <kiwichris> Imaging software developer hardware style. They would have VVVVVVVHLC for very very very ?.. high level code
2013-06-19T06:08:16  <kiwichris> Each 2 years they would add another V
2013-06-19T06:08:45  <sebhub> on powerpc this is also relatively new with book e
2013-06-19T06:08:59  * kiwichris wonders how many hardware people he has upset
2013-06-19T06:09:11  <kiwichris> The 68020 had a VBR
2013-06-19T06:09:52  <kiwichris> The OCM only has a couple of places to live and 0 is one place
2013-06-19T06:10:21  <kiwichris> I plan to look at moving the interrupt stack and maybe the workspace into the OCM if I have room.
2013-06-19T06:10:47  <kiwichris> The OCM is difficult because anything other than 128bit aligned access results in lower performance
2013-06-19T06:11:35  <kiwichris> I also need to figure out how to get OpenOCD to invalidate the cache on a GDB halt.
2013-06-19T06:12:24  <kiwichris> sebhub, I am off for the night, and many thanks for all your help so far
2013-06-19T06:12:39  <sebhub> cu
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2013-06-20T01:51:29  <sebhub> good morning
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2013-06-20T02:07:40  <kiwichris> sebhub, hi
2013-06-20T02:12:18  <kiwichris> sebhub, in the zynq bsp set up is it just the L1 cache that is set up ?
2013-06-20T02:16:56  <sebhub> are the cache levels visible?
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2013-06-20T02:18:02  <sebhub> where did you find the mmu dependency in the newlib memcpy?
2013-06-20T02:20:18  <kiwichris> From the patch posted to the newlib list ...
2013-06-20T02:20:18  <kiwichris> +    Unaligned accesses
2013-06-20T02:20:19  <kiwichris> +    LDRD/STRD support unaligned word accesses
2013-06-20T02:21:14  <kiwichris> and a mount table memcpy call to make a string had an address offset of 1 and length 5
2013-06-20T02:22:06  <kiwichris> what does "cache levels visible" mean ?
2013-06-20T02:23:15  <sebhub> ok, i have to look at the unaligned support more closely
2013-06-20T02:24:51  <sebhub> i thought that the cache operations don't operate on explicity cache levels
2013-06-20T02:25:02  <kiwichris> It works when the 'setup_mmu_and_cache' call is made
2013-06-20T02:25:23  <kiwichris> Hmm ok, so the L2 cache is also enabled ?
2013-06-20T02:25:49  <kiwichris> An invalidate the data cache works on both
2013-06-20T02:26:10  <kiwichris> The Zynq TRM has some interesting words in it related to the L2 cache.
2013-06-20T02:26:29  <sebhub> some cache operations have scopes, e.g. PoU, PoC, IS
2013-06-20T02:26:54  <sebhub> ok, i didn't look at this so far
2013-06-20T02:27:00  <kiwichris> Page 100 of the ug585 states write 0x020202 to an address and the address is "reserved" in the register tables
2013-06-20T02:27:23  <sebhub> PoU point of unification, PoC point of coherence, IS inner shareable domain
2013-06-20T02:27:40  <kiwichris> Thanks, I was wondering :)
2013-06-20T02:28:11  <kiwichris> From the zynq TRM ? "The L2 cache is disabled by default and can be enabled by setting Bit 0 of the L2 Cache Control
2013-06-20T02:28:11  <kiwichris> register independently of the L1 caches."
2013-06-20T02:28:59  <kiwichris> Given your comments I wonder if the cp15 invalidate cache call handles the L2 cache
2013-06-20T02:29:33  <sebhub> invalidation of the data cache is not that easy, i think you need two for loops
2013-06-20T02:29:56  <kiwichris> On each line ?
2013-06-20T02:30:13  <sebhub> the instruction cache invalidate is easy
2013-06-20T02:30:28  <sebhub> the linux kernel has an example code
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2013-06-20T03:20:55  <tictoc> Hi everyone. I was wondering if someone could give me advice on running one of the network-demos examples using the latest VirtualBox development environment.
2013-06-20T03:22:30  <sebhub> what kind of problem do you have?
2013-06-20T03:22:31  <tictoc> I tried to run the netdemo example. It starts, and I can inside the virtual box make a connection via telnet. But when I try to transmit a TCP packet I get the message "Can't connect socket: Host is unreachable"
2013-06-20T03:23:07  <tictoc> I just build and executed it without making any changes to the preset Qemu config or the networkconfig.h
2013-06-20T03:24:05  <sebhub> where do you open the tcp socked, on the target or the host?
2013-06-20T03:24:39  <tictoc> Hm
2013-06-20T03:25:45  <tictoc> inside Qemu on the target I would say
2013-06-20T03:26:05  <kiwichris> tictoc, how is the network address set ?
2013-06-20T03:27:12  <tictoc> The address of the target in Qemu is 10.1.2.5, the TCP_DATA_SINK_HOST is set to 10.0.2.2
2013-06-20T03:28:06  <kiwichris> tictoc, netmask ?
2013-06-20T03:28:22  <tictoc> 255.255.255.0
2013-06-20T03:29:10  <kiwichris> and do you have a route that tells the networking stack how to get to 10.0.2\24 from 10.1.2\24 ?
2013-06-20T03:29:28  <kiwichris> sorry from 10.1.2\24 to 10.0.2\24
2013-06-20T03:30:13  <tictoc> Ahm what's 10.0.2\24?
2013-06-20T03:30:18  <kiwichris> ie the host you are sending to at 10.0.2.2 is on a different subnet to the address of this machine
2013-06-20T03:30:44  <kiwichris> 10.0.2/24 means 10.0.2.x or the first 24 bits of the 32bit address
2013-06-20T03:31:08  <tictoc> ok I don't know, how can I check this?
2013-06-20T03:31:37  <kiwichris> do a google search for an ip address calculator and have a play
2013-06-20T03:32:09  <kiwichris> If your network address was say 10.0.2.100 then the stack would send it out the interface attached to that network
2013-06-20T03:32:32  <kiwichris> and I would assume 10.0.2.2 was on the same subnet as the device
2013-06-20T03:37:30  <tictoc> locking into it...
2013-06-20T03:37:36  <tictoc> looking*
2013-06-20T03:37:58  <kiwichris> great
2013-06-20T03:38:13  <kiwichris> did you build the RTEMS shell in with the networking commands ?
2013-06-20T03:40:17  <tictoc> I really only build RTEMS using the predefined build_bsp commands and the network-demos folder, where is the shell included?
2013-06-20T03:41:22  <tictoc> I have to admit I don't really yet know what I am doing here, I was just trying to figure out if I could use networking from RTEMS. I have never before used RTEMS or done anything with networking / sockets, though
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2013-06-20T04:04:50  <kiwichris> Ah ok.
2013-06-20T04:05:14  <kiwichris> I have not looked at the network demo in a long time. It would be nice if it did provide the shell and networking commands
2013-06-20T04:05:32  <kiwichris> Do you get a console RTEMS login when it runs ?
2013-06-20T04:07:00  <kiwichris> I am off for a while
2013-06-20T04:07:13  <tictoc> Thanks for the help
2013-06-20T04:07:58  <tictoc> You dont't get an rtems shell, it reacts to 3 inputs: t, u, s
2013-06-20T04:08:23  <tictoc> t to transmit a tcp packet, u to transmit udp (which crashes the app for me), s for network statistics
2013-06-20T04:10:07  <tictoc> I don't know if one of the examples includes a shell, I will see if I can find it. Otherwise I will try to build the shell with network support. Otherwise I don't know how to check if a route exists between the subnets
2013-06-20T04:11:37  <tictoc> I assume it's a good sign that creating and binding sockets works in the example
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2013-06-20T06:49:45  <tictoc> Ok regarding my networking experiment. As I stated earlier I just used the VirtualBox environment without any modifications
2013-06-20T06:52:31  <tictoc> I can ping the RTEMS target IP (10.1.2.5) from CentOS (10.0.2.15). Then I tried the ttcp example and set up RTEMS as the receiver and the Unix client as a sender. This also works, RTEMS inside Qemu receives the packets send from Unix.
2013-06-20T06:55:55  <tictoc> As a sender RTEMS identifies the IP 10.0.2.2, which is associated with network adapter set up by Qemu (52:54:00:12:35:02 (QEMU Virtual NIC))
2013-06-20T06:57:50  <tictoc> However trying the other way around I do not know how to transmit from RTEMS to the Unix client
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2013-06-20T07:01:12  <tictoc> On another note, I plan to use RTEMS for my master thesis. Is it possible / difficult to install RTEMS on a regular x86 desktop as a target?
2013-06-20T07:08:03  <sebhub> you can use wireshark to see if packets are sent in the virtual network
2013-06-20T07:08:59  <sebhub> it is possible to run rtems on a regular desktop, but i would not do it
2013-06-20T07:15:14  <sebhub> you can run rtems on cheap arm targets like raspberry pi
2013-06-20T07:20:25  <tictoc> Why wouldn't you? I might need to run some calculations that are CPU heavy, so moving to a cheap platform might not do it.
2013-06-20T07:21:53  <sebhub> ok, which application do you have in mind?
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2013-06-22T13:42:50  <dhananjay> Good mirning!
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2013-06-22T21:05:40  <freenix> hi,kiwichris.
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2013-06-22T21:24:09  <kiwichris> freenix, hi
2013-06-22T21:24:24  <kiwichris> my connection may come and go, I am in a public for a few hours
2013-06-22T21:24:54  <freenix> ok. You said there may be many things that we should chat about
2013-06-22T21:25:14  <freenix> I have not send my  status to the mail list.
2013-06-22T21:25:16  <kiwichris> yeah, first have you done a report for the list as Gedare asked ?
2013-06-22T21:25:21  <kiwichris> haha
2013-06-22T21:25:41  <freenix> So I want to ask you what type is the report
2013-06-22T21:25:55  <freenix> Just what I have done and the todo?
2013-06-22T21:26:04  <kiwichris> What you have been doing and what will be doing :)
2013-06-22T21:26:05  <kiwichris> yeah
2013-06-22T21:26:17  <freenix> ok. Thanks.
2013-06-22T21:26:38  <kiwichris> I have not been over all the changes you have done. We need to get them into a suitable shape to merge upstream
2013-06-22T21:27:11  <freenix> ok. Then what should I do the next week, in your view.
2013-06-22T21:27:13  <kiwichris> The waf script changes I suspect work for you however I am concerned they are bit too specific
2013-06-22T21:27:41  <freenix> I originally want to document the code that I have wrote the next week and then dig into the elftool chain
2013-06-22T21:27:47  <kiwichris> We need to work on getting the changes feed upstream and committed to into the master repo
2013-06-22T21:28:45  <kiwichris> Yes and we need to get those changes feed upstream. I have no updated the code in the RTL for a long time. That might need to be done.
2013-06-22T21:29:54  <freenix> ok. If you have anytime, hope you can review the code that I submitted.
2013-06-22T21:30:07  <freenix> I think they are not well factored.
2013-06-22T21:32:38  <freenix> Then I next week, I 'll work to resovle the specific things, document the code and look into the elftool.
2013-06-22T21:32:51  <freenix> Any advice>?
2013-06-22T21:36:26  <kiwichris> Could you please take a look and see how easy it is to update elftools and let me know.
2013-06-22T21:36:44  <freenix> ok. I'll do that.
2013-06-22T21:36:58  <freenix> update to the newest version?
2013-06-22T21:37:11  <kiwichris> Yeah
2013-06-22T21:37:17  <freenix> ok.
2013-06-22T21:37:23  <kiwichris> It will make send patches upstream easier
2013-06-22T21:37:38  <kiwichris> My hope is it will be an easy drop in
2013-06-22T21:38:05  <freenix> I'll first look into it.
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2013-06-23T04:38:10  <dhananjay> kiwichris: around?
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