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2013-02-18T02:05:00  <sebhub> good morning
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2013-02-18T10:43:09  <DrJoel>  /msg NickServ identify Justin01
2013-02-18T10:43:20  <DrJoel> Damn it.. now I need to change my password :(
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2013-02-18T10:45:13  <gedare> haha
2013-02-18T10:45:22  <gedare> Jessica02?
2013-02-18T10:45:43  * gedare prods DrJoel 
2013-02-18T10:45:55  <DrJoel> luckily that wasn't even the right password :)
2013-02-18T10:45:57  <gedare> i'm workin gon the mmu code
2013-02-18T10:46:11  <DrJoel> :)
2013-02-18T10:46:25  <gedare> i'm defining basically a no-op MM manager similar to the cache manager
2013-02-18T10:46:35  <gedare> and then we can implement new MM support for targets on a rolling basis
2013-02-18T10:46:43  <DrJoel> I have an email thread with xi  yang and another long ago submitter (Karel Gardas) on his ARM SMP
2013-02-18T10:46:44  <gedare> and eventually use the MM manager in score
2013-02-18T10:46:55  <gedare> good
2013-02-18T10:46:56  <DrJoel> Thanks for pitching in on the Texinfo email
2013-02-18T10:47:12  <DrJoel> Did I bait with the word "FORK"
2013-02-18T10:47:16  <gedare> lol, yes you did
2013-02-18T10:47:33  <gedare> but so did i with my arm-rtemseabi post
2013-02-18T10:47:47  <gedare> update the motd
2013-02-18T10:47:48  <DrJoel> I thought it was a simple  topic.. major new version.. we need to make sure we work with it.. and old version. because both will live a long time
2013-02-18T10:48:00  <gedare> yeah
2013-02-18T10:48:05  <gedare> ugh...
2013-02-18T10:48:16  <gedare> i have to add / modify almost every BSPs Makefile.am :(
2013-02-18T10:48:34  *** DrJoel changes topic to "Welcome to RTEMS (http://www.rtems.org). Please feel free to ask questions and, if you can, answer those from others. Google Summer of Code 2013 has been announced. RTEMS plans to apply."
2013-02-18T10:48:42  <gedare> super
2013-02-18T10:49:39  <DrJoel> I want to write up a project where Thread Queue gets some modifications.. Break out the priority Block2N code into own handler.. then use that in thread queue and a scheduler.
2013-02-18T10:49:58  <gedare> ah that reminds me...
2013-02-18T10:50:17  <gedare> i want to look at whether the pluggable scheduler can be used for scheduling things other than threads.
2013-02-18T10:50:27  <gedare> this is a similar idea to what you said
2013-02-18T10:50:32  <gedare> but more generic...
2013-02-18T10:50:32  <DrJoel> Modify thread queue to take plugins for "thread set managers" for priority.. then simple fifo ready chain code and block2N can be used by thread queue and schedulers.. can have lighter thread queue and faster schedulers
2013-02-18T10:50:34  <gedare> like IO scheduling.
2013-02-18T10:51:03  <gedare> makes sense.
2013-02-18T10:51:35  <DrJoel> Sounds reasonable. I did something like that with my disk caching/scheduling algorithm simulator for my dissertation
2013-02-18T10:51:59  <DrJoel> You can end up with bands of cache or disk bandwidth for certain priority tasks.
2013-02-18T10:52:12  <DrJoel> Are you thinking of doing a gsoc pitch at GWU?
2013-02-18T10:52:44  <DrJoel> I am considering doing a Google Hangout webcast of the presentations I did Friday at UTC
2013-02-18T10:54:21  <gedare> i thought about it.
2013-02-18T10:54:35  <gedare> i might also just look at trying to recruit someone directly.
2013-02-18T10:55:00  <gedare> afk a bit.
2013-02-18T10:56:54  <DrJoel> :)
2013-02-18T10:57:14  <DrJoel> Do you think a google hangout webcast which can be stored afterwards on youtube i a good idea?
2013-02-18T10:57:46  <DrJoel> I was trying this as an experiment and then maybe do other presentatinos on RTEMS topics
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2013-02-18T11:37:27  <gedare> back.. Anna is home today because of fed holidy
2013-02-18T11:37:57  <gedare> DrJoel: yes i think so. probably can embed them in the wiki too
2013-02-18T11:38:28  <DrJoel> awww.. I am only in for 1/2 a day today..
2013-02-18T11:38:44  <DrJoel> I did scholarship interviews yesterday and have to write up my impressions.
2013-02-18T11:44:36  <gedare> ah, nice
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2013-02-18T18:27:22  <the9a3eedi> Good morning
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2013-02-18T20:11:52  <the9a3eedi> Is there any reason to not use the timer manager, and use an ISR for handling hardware timer interrupts?
2013-02-18T20:12:07  <the9a3eedi> (I'm still new at the whole embedded scene, so this might be a really uninformed question)
2013-02-18T20:12:34  <kiwichris_> performance, if you need to work with fast timers and low overhead then directly is an option.
2013-02-18T20:13:30  <the9a3eedi> I see.. How big is the difference in performance?
2013-02-18T20:14:01  <kiwichris_> depends on the performance of the processor.
2013-02-18T20:14:18  <kiwichris_> and how much performance it would use. For example ...
2013-02-18T20:14:32  <the9a3eedi> I see
2013-02-18T20:15:02  <the9a3eedi> Actually, I was under the impression that the timer manager uses the hardware timers if it's specified by the BSP.. but after reading a bit more, I don't think that's the case
2013-02-18T20:15:47  <kiwichris_> I worked on a high speed printer years ago and I ran a high speed timer interrupt to step the motors. You said step this far and isr handler ramped up the speed and down the speed and when finished woke a task. The isr exit to the os only happened then the task was woken
2013-02-18T20:16:05  <kiwichris_> I think it does. It uses the tick timer.
2013-02-18T20:17:48  <the9a3eedi> I see. thanks for the help
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2013-02-20T02:08:16  <sebhub> good morning
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2013-02-20T10:09:05  <gedare> hi sebhub thanks for the mm code review. the bsp_mme pointer I think is useful if we start to have dynamic memory management
2013-02-20T10:09:14  <gedare> otherwise it is not necessary
2013-02-20T10:09:29  <gedare> since a static mmu/mpu setup will just "fire and forget"
2013-02-20T10:16:46  <gedare> hmm.. looks like the ppc mmu support can recreate it easily enough
2013-02-20T10:20:26  <gedare> and i'm starting to suspect the ARM mmu support can too, if it is done right
2013-02-20T10:20:30  <gedare> cp-15 that is
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2013-02-20T23:35:59  <the9a3eedi-2> The whole thing about the RTEMS build system not being able to properly build in debug mode is getting rather annoying lol
2013-02-20T23:36:06  <the9a3eedi-2> it's so awkward stepping through the functions
2013-02-20T23:36:16  <the9a3eedi-2> jumping all over the place, values optimized out
2013-02-20T23:37:03  <the9a3eedi-2> is there really absolutely no proper way to build the whole RTEMS source in debug mode? How do the RTEMS developers handle it?
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2013-02-20T23:45:50  <kiwichris> I build and set the CFLAGS and then set CFLAGS=".." before configure with the -O level I want.
2013-02-20T23:45:55  <kiwichris> set -> get
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2013-02-21T02:34:22  <sebhub> good morning
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2013-02-21T11:11:09  <gedare> good afternoon
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2013-02-21T13:11:56  <gedare> hey DrJoel.
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2013-02-21T18:36:33  <kiwichris> gedare, hi
2013-02-21T18:47:05  <gedare> hi kiwichris
2013-02-21T18:47:23  <gedare> just winding down..been idle a couple hours
2013-02-21T18:47:29  <kiwichris> The source builder now installs by default to the prefix you provide
2013-02-21T18:47:46  <kiwichris> No tar files built unless you add options to create them
2013-02-21T18:48:34  <gedare> good i think that is more intuitive
2013-02-21T18:48:46  <gedare> does it separate the install from the build process?
2013-02-21T18:48:49  <kiwichris> Also have unstable/4.11 which is gcc 4.8 + newlib 2.0.0. A few things have showed up
2013-02-21T18:49:18  <kiwichris> No, you say go and it does it. I could add something to install from a tar
2013-02-21T18:49:48  <gedare> ok. i think that is fine anyway
2013-02-21T18:50:05  <gedare> we should encourage users to specify prefixes that they own as user
2013-02-21T18:50:09  <gedare> or group permissions
2013-02-21T18:50:12  <kiwichris> Yeah. The other could be added later. It is not a big task
2013-02-21T18:50:15  <gedare> for unix environments
2013-02-21T18:50:36  <kiwichris> Yes I agree. I have no checking of perms at the moment but I feel it should be added.
2013-02-21T18:50:52  <gedare> i have to cut back my rtems work soon..been trying to clear the plate
2013-02-21T18:51:13  <kiwichris> Ah ok.
2013-02-21T18:51:32  <gedare> but i'll try to keep on top of this, sb and tools are important
2013-02-21T18:51:43  <gedare> i'm going to let the mmu project slide to post release
2013-02-21T18:51:52  <kiwichris> Sure.
2013-02-21T18:52:28  <gedare> after we think most of the code has been submitted for the outstanding projects we should consider cutting the release anyway
2013-02-21T18:52:40  <gedare> the tools can (and should) be handled separately from the actual turning over of the repo
2013-02-21T18:53:10  <gedare> i'll have to bring that up with joel
2013-02-21T18:53:17  <kiwichris> Until we have tools that we know are stable we cannot be certain the code is ok
2013-02-21T18:53:28  <gedare> yes i mean...
2013-02-21T18:53:39  <gedare> make a tag, and freeze new development, bug fixes only
2013-02-21T18:54:18  <gedare> this should be part of any release process anyhow
2013-02-21T18:54:31  <kiwichris> I am not sure. We need to tools documented and the patches agreed to
2013-02-21T18:54:53  <kiwichris> Otherwise the RPM tools are considered the "standard"
2013-02-21T18:55:06  <gedare> OK. I'll sleep on it myself. Ah, I understand.
2013-02-21T18:55:16  <gedare> Yes, we do not want that
2013-02-21T18:55:34  <kiwichris> If there current state is ok then that is fine
2013-02-21T18:55:46  <gedare> OK I have to go. later
2013-02-21T18:57:01  <kiwichris> cya
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2013-02-21T23:27:47  <kiwichris> hehe, just building the RTEMS tools for an ARM on a Raspberry Pi.
2013-02-22T00:25:52  <verm__> nice
2013-02-22T00:34:48  <kiwichris> yeah, binutils built and now onto gcc+newlib
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2013-02-22T02:09:10  <sebhub> good morning
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2013-02-22T02:36:05  <peerst> kiwichris: nice … Raspberry Pi is a nice affordable for everyone  devel board
2013-02-22T03:10:39  <kiwichris> peerst, yeah so the idea we are playing with is one to build on and one to test on
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2013-02-22T04:16:34  <peerst> oh even cooler
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2013-02-23T16:54:15  <kiwichris_> http://www.rtems.org/ftp/pub/rtems/people/chrisj/source-builder/raspbian/
2013-02-23T16:54:29  <kiwichris_> Time to build them "Build Set: Time 10:31:17.087388" :)
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2013-02-24T03:18:15  <kiwichris_> I have updated the RTEMS Source Builder doco. It is a work in progress and only partly done ...
2013-02-24T03:18:16  <kiwichris_> http://www.rtems.org/ftp/pub/rtems/people/chrisj/source-builder/source-builder.html
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2013-02-24T04:06:08  <the9a3eedi> Is it possible to send an event to multiple tasks (or to all tasks) rather than having to specify one task at a time? Or should I be using something other than events for this sort of thing?
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