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2013-02-04T05:34:08  <kiwichris> sebhub, off for the night so will catch some other time
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2013-02-04T17:19:06  <ayush10297> ping: matttt
2013-02-04T17:19:19  <matttt> Ello! Whats up?
2013-02-04T17:20:20  <ayush10297> hey!!
2013-02-04T17:20:27  <ayush10297> congratzz
2013-02-04T17:20:29  <ayush10297> !
2013-02-04T17:20:43  <matttt> Aha, Thanks!
2013-02-04T17:20:45  <ayush10297> I just saw a different list on the google melange
2013-02-04T17:21:00  <ayush10297> homepage
2013-02-04T17:21:17  <matttt> Yeah, I think its a glitch.
2013-02-04T17:21:39  <ayush10297> yeah probably
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2013-02-05T08:03:23  <MegaAlex> hello! I'd like to continue contributing to the RTEMS project, but the only thing I can do at the moment is generating some .scn-s for the testsuites. Is this going to be helpful? :)
2013-02-05T08:06:06  <sebhub> you can also look in the bug data base and fix a random bug if you want to do something more challenging
2013-02-05T08:18:19  <MegaAlex> I'm not sure if I will be able to fix any bug, but might try :)
2013-02-05T08:19:36  <sebhub> can you run and debug the tests on the GDB SPARC simulator?
2013-02-05T08:22:43  <MegaAlex> like I did for the GCI tasks, yeah :)
2013-02-05T08:23:24  <sebhub> ok, great, you will learn a lot if you try to fix a bug
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2013-02-05T19:37:21  <the9a3eedi> kiwichris: I was looking at your waf hello world example, and I noticed that in the configure script, it looks for "rtems-ld".. which is separate from sparc-rtems-ld or whatever.
2013-02-05T19:37:40  <the9a3eedi>  I haven't seen any reference to rtems-ld anywhere in the manual or whatever.. so was wondering what it is
2013-02-05T19:37:56  <kiwichris> Yes. It is the RTEMS linker which is a project currently in git.
2013-02-05T19:38:03  <the9a3eedi> I see
2013-02-05T19:38:37  <the9a3eedi> so it's not part of the official release yet.. makes sense now... I just commented it out for now in the script and everything else works
2013-02-05T19:39:23  <kiwichris> No. http://www.rtems.org/ftp/pub/rtems/people/chrisj/rtl/rtems-linker/
2013-02-05T19:39:53  <kiwichris> The waf script should just say it is not found and carry on
2013-02-05T19:55:32  <kiwichris> The proper solution is to set 'mandatory = False' in the wcript.
2013-02-05T20:33:30  <the9a3eedi> hmm it doesnt  carry on with me. havent noticed any mandatory option in the wscript
2013-02-05T20:36:49  <the9a3eedi> the rtems linker project is actually something I was wondering if RTEMS supported.. thanks for the link
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2013-02-05T20:47:43  <kiwichris> the9a3eedi, sorry in the line that tests for the rtems-ld it should have that as an argument
2013-02-05T20:49:15  <kiwichris> ie arch_tools['RTEMS_LD'] = conf.find_program(['rtems-ld'], path_list = paths, mandatory = False)
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2013-02-05T22:16:04  <the9a3eedi> ah ok
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2013-02-06T03:20:24  <sebhub> good morning
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2013-02-06T18:46:16  <the9a3eedi> I'm trying to figure out how to build rtems without any optimization.. it's making debugging all wierd
2013-02-06T18:46:46  <the9a3eedi> I found a few switches in configure --help, but they don't really do anything
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2013-02-06T19:59:04  <matttt> Hi kiwichris, Do you know any webpage that lists all the configuration options?
2013-02-06T20:00:03  <kiwichris> No
2013-02-06T20:00:08  <kiwichris> Just the source
2013-02-06T20:14:22  <the9a3eedi> Does this count? http://www.rtems.org/onlinedocs/releases/rtemsdocs-4.10.2/share/rtems/html/c_user/c_user00414.html
2013-02-06T20:14:45  <the9a3eedi> it's not all in one page, but if you get the pdf version of manual there's a nice list of it
2013-02-06T20:37:24  <kiwichris> Yes this is a good start, how-ever I am not sure how up to date it is.
2013-02-06T21:04:44  <matttt> Neat, Thanks!
2013-02-06T21:07:55  <matttt> I am currently looking into information on creating this project, http://wiki.rtems.org/wiki/index.php/ApplicationConfigurationGUI
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2013-02-06T22:40:41  <the9a3eedi> hmm.. there doesn't seem to be an easy way to get a non-optimized build of RTEMS.. sux
2013-02-06T22:40:57  <the9a3eedi> at least from what I can tell from the mailing list
2013-02-06T22:42:32  <kiwichris> Yeah it is a pain with the automake build system. The cflags have settings you need and so overriding on the command can break a build
2013-02-06T23:16:50  <the9a3eedi> it's not a big deal, but sometimes when I'm stepping through a program, i like to see the details of the system calls and all that
2013-02-06T23:17:18  <the9a3eedi> I can see the instructions, but variables dont show up nicely as a result of the optimization
2013-02-06T23:50:35  <kiwichris> yeah it is what happens, there not much you can do other than wind back the level.
2013-02-06T23:51:01  <kiwichris> Is this in RTEMS code or your application
2013-02-07T00:00:45  <the9a3eedi> no, this is in the rtems code
2013-02-07T00:01:32  <the9a3eedi> but like I said, not a big deal. I just sometimes want to know exactly what happens when I init a task, for example
2013-02-07T00:01:51  <kiwichris> I suggest you find the cflags in the config file in the BSP dir and then clean and compile rtems with CFLAGS="?" make and see what happens.
2013-02-07T00:02:04  <kiwichris> I think it is CFLAGS you would need to override
2013-02-07T00:02:47  <kiwichris> If it is your code in RTEMS then you can control the options when you build it.
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2013-02-07T02:13:09  <sebhub> good morning
2013-02-07T02:17:05  <kiwichris> sebhub, hi
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2013-02-07T02:48:26  <kiwichris> sebhub, http://www.rtems.org/ftp/pub/rtems/people/chrisj/examples-v2-waf.diff
2013-02-07T02:48:39  <kiwichris> it is a patch to add waf support to the examplev2
2013-02-07T02:58:04  <sebhub> it is a very good idea to add WAF support to the examples
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2013-02-07T09:46:30  <peerst> hey gedare
2013-02-07T09:46:39  <gedare> howdy peerst. how are you?
2013-02-07T09:46:56  <peerst> fine, how are you? what are you working on?
2013-02-07T10:15:34  <gedare> i'm pretty good. i have a few projects going right now.. nothing really rtems though
2013-02-07T10:15:53  <gedare> our rtems work seems to be winding down right now... looking at linux right now
2013-02-07T10:16:07  <gedare> i'm saying right now a lot right now.
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2013-02-07T14:07:26  <kiwichris> gedare, hi
2013-02-07T14:07:31  <gedare> hi kiwichris
2013-02-07T14:07:45  <kiwichris> Did you see my waf patch for the examples ?
2013-02-07T14:08:18  <kiwichris> http://www.rtems.org/ftp/pub/rtems/people/chrisj/examples-v2-waf.diff
2013-02-07T14:09:26  <kiwichris> thanks for the Source Builder wiki page
2013-02-07T14:09:42  <gedare> yeah. mostly C-c C-v from your email
2013-02-07T14:10:05  <gedare> should split out the file io changes from this patch
2013-02-07T14:11:08  <gedare> pretty nice. we'll need to centralize a lot of the helper functions if that isn't done already
2013-02-07T14:11:17  <gedare> make it really easy to generate user waf scripts
2013-02-07T14:11:35  <gedare> right now i wouldn't know where to start if i was a user and wanted to copy this setup
2013-02-07T14:11:56  <kiwichris> That is done. It is in a dir called rtems_waf
2013-02-07T14:12:10  <gedare> ah, ok
2013-02-07T14:12:17  <kiwichris> This is more like a template of how to create different executables.
2013-02-07T14:13:56  <kiwichris> With a cached up host the build take 8 seconds on my slow MacBook Pro
2013-02-07T14:14:03  <gedare> Ric Claus just requested a new RTEMS release
2013-02-07T14:14:14  <gedare> more or less
2013-02-07T14:14:18  <kiwichris> It will not happen while the arm tools are not fixed.
2013-02-07T14:14:51  <kiwichris> while arm-rtemseabi4.11 tools exist I am blocking any release
2013-02-07T14:14:54  <gedare> Is the RTEMS release dependent on the tools? or is this the whole eabi vs blah
2013-02-07T14:15:09  <gedare> ok
2013-02-07T14:15:27  <gedare> well, i'll mention this is a current stopper. Any other stoppers you know of?
2013-02-07T14:15:43  <kiwichris> Making another release with this puts a stake in the ground that is difficult to remove in future releases
2013-02-07T14:16:07  <kiwichris> The release procedure for git. Joel has asked for help a few times
2013-02-07T14:16:50  <gedare> ah,ya
2013-02-07T14:20:41  <kiwichris> Seb would have to give the ok on the tools. I know he uses different versions. The idea of always pushing the latest on head is now an issue because we never know if the latest is ok because it is new and needs testing and that makes it old
2013-02-07T14:21:02  <gedare> yeah
2013-02-07T14:21:29  <kiwichris> These are know well beaten issue and a release will make them a focus which is not great.
2013-02-07T14:21:36  <gedare> Did you want to try to push RTL through before the release too, or do you not care too much?
2013-02-07T14:22:12  <kiwichris> And fight automake and autoconf ? No thanks. :)
2013-02-07T14:22:56  <kiwichris> Being an add on package lets it get used on 4.10 and that is good while 4.11 is not settled.
2013-02-07T14:23:24  <gedare> makes sense
2013-02-07T14:23:36  <gedare> what's the status of the buildbot?
2013-02-07T14:24:00  <gedare> all right, i'm listing ARM tools, Makefile.maint, and general testing / building of all BSPs as blockers for a release
2013-02-07T14:24:07  <gedare> is there anything else obvious I should make a note of?
2013-02-07T14:24:26  <kiwichris> I also have a another round of work on it to do. I need to create the ability to capture objects out of libraries and make a target library of them to fix dependences issues on the target
2013-02-07T14:24:31  <gedare> mmm, i'm going to commit the atomic support patches i sent a few days ago
2013-02-07T14:24:44  <gedare> i should look to see if there is other outstanding patches from gsoc that can easily go in
2013-02-07T14:24:53  <gedare> my student's code ended up getting sidelined
2013-02-07T14:24:58  <kiwichris> Buildbot need a waf build system
2013-02-07T14:25:04  <gedare> ah ok makes sense
2013-02-07T14:25:19  <kiwichris> It is too slow to be useful until the change happens
2013-02-07T14:25:35  <kiwichris> What is  Makefile.maint ?
2013-02-07T14:25:59  <kiwichris> need to run for a bit, will back in an hour or so
2013-02-07T14:30:32  <gedare> Makefile.maint is what Joel used to use to update the CVS repo for a new release
2013-02-07T14:30:44  <gedare> Basically we need a new process for cutting the release in git
2013-02-07T14:30:58  <gedare> ok i'll probably be gone by then. nearing the end of my work day
2013-02-07T14:33:07  <kiwichris> Ah ok.
2013-02-07T15:09:38  <verm__> <kiwichris> The release procedure for git. Joel has asked for help a few times
2013-02-07T15:09:53  <verm__> i'm OK with helping with this however i will not delve into the current set of scripts :)
2013-02-07T15:10:00  <verm__> by helping i mean i'll answer questions :)
2013-02-07T15:23:32  <gedare> yeah i think we'll need to identify what scripts to abandon, what to update, and what to create new
2013-02-07T15:42:27  <gedare> hey verm__ i just never followed up on the project to see the outcome.
2013-02-07T15:43:04  <gedare> it just felt like the momentum was completely lost and we were left without much to use. but maybe i was mistaken
2013-02-07T16:21:53  <verm__> yeah you were
2013-02-07T16:22:17  <verm__> i think it's more likely the outcome you were expecting was entirely different from what i was expecting :)
2013-02-07T16:22:37  <verm__> joel/chris were aware of the main goals
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2013-02-07T20:30:24  <gedare> hi kiwichris
2013-02-07T20:32:47  <gedare> was wondering if you knew where the gsoc final reports might be located.. nvm gotta go anyways
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