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2012-11-19T01:50:40  <sebhub> good morning
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2012-11-20T01:33:39  <sebhub> good morning
2012-11-20T01:53:01  <lcpfnvcy_> moorning
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2012-11-20T02:01:22  <finnland> hello
2012-11-20T02:41:47  <kiwichris> hello
2012-11-20T02:43:09  <kiwichris> sebhub, on an SIS application (rtld) I link without error how-ever I see via readelf UND symbols. Do your apps having any ?
2012-11-20T02:43:32  <kiwichris> I do "sparc-rtems4.11-readelf --syms exe | grep UND"
2012-11-20T02:45:50  <sebhub> sparc-rtems4.11-readelf --syms ./sparc-rtems4.11/c/sis/testsuites/fstests/mimfs_fslink/mimfs_fslink.exe | grep UND
2012-11-20T02:45:52  <sebhub>      0: 00000000     0 NOTYPE  LOCAL  DEFAULT  UND
2012-11-20T02:45:53  <sebhub>   1831: 00000000     0 NOTYPE  WEAK   DEFAULT  UND __deregister_frame_info
2012-11-20T02:45:55  <sebhub>   1846: 00000000     0 NOTYPE  WEAK   DEFAULT  UND _ITM_registerTMCloneTable
2012-11-20T02:45:56  <sebhub>   1971: 00000000     0 NOTYPE  WEAK   DEFAULT  UND _ITM_deregisterTMCloneTab
2012-11-20T02:45:58  <sebhub>   2038: 00000000     0 NOTYPE  GLOBAL DEFAULT  UND __bsp_mem_init
2012-11-20T02:45:59  <sebhub>   2224: 00000000     0 NOTYPE  WEAK   DEFAULT  UND _Jv_RegisterClasses
2012-11-20T02:46:01  <sebhub>   2245: 00000000     0 NOTYPE  WEAK   DEFAULT  UND __register_frame_info
2012-11-20T02:52:42  <kiwichris> The WEAK might be ok. I am not sure. The __bsp_mem_init one is interesting
2012-11-20T02:55:22  <kiwichris> Just pushed ELF write support to http://git.rtems.org/chrisj/rtl-host.git/.
2012-11-20T02:55:57  <kiwichris> I was thinking about placing the metadata info into a string section in an ELF file but will do something simpler now
2012-11-20T02:56:54  <sebhub> yes, this undefined global symbol is strage
2012-11-20T02:57:54  <kiwichris> I have added a new comment calls rtems-syms to the rtl-host program and it showed up there and so I needed to check it out. If readelf sees it it must be there
2012-11-20T02:58:56  <kiwichris> Joel wants a cross-reference tool where all global symbols in an RTEMS executable and actually referenced, ie shows if a file needs to be split. Maybe that will show something.
2012-11-20T03:00:08  <kiwichris> I do not get the "_ITM_registerTMCloneTable" symbol
2012-11-20T03:00:39  <kiwichris> Been building with clang and the C++ error messages are much nicer.
2012-11-20T03:01:03  <kiwichris> Even finds spelling mistakes where a little in a label is wrong and suggests the correct answer
2012-11-20T03:01:11  <sebhub> thats nice
2012-11-20T03:01:12  <kiwichris> little -> letter
2012-11-20T03:44:48  <finnland> hi, does anyone have a good idea why I get so large output files? For example the hello.exe file for rtl22xx is almost 2 Mb in size and it is supposed to be used on a device that has 512k of memory.
2012-11-20T03:45:30  <sebhub> the exe file is an elf file, it contains also sections that are not loadable and thus will not be part of the runtime image (e.g. debug information)
2012-11-20T03:51:34  <kiwichris> try the arm-rtems4.11-size command on the exe to see the actual foot print
2012-11-20T04:00:13  <finnland> aha, but to get a usable image is it fine to just objcopy that to a binary?
2012-11-20T04:00:35  <sebhub> how do you load your program to the target?
2012-11-20T04:16:44  <finnland> that is the actual question, i've never loaded it to a HW target before so how to get the application in shape for that?
2012-11-20T04:17:42  <sebhub> do you use a bootloader or debugger?
2012-11-20T04:17:52  <sebhub> is this an evaluation board?
2012-11-20T04:19:14  <finnland> it's an eval board
2012-11-20T04:19:25  <finnland> bootloader in ROM on target
2012-11-20T04:19:53  <sebhub> ok, how do you get the examples of your evaluation board to the target
2012-11-20T04:20:17  <finnland> it loads over serial port to onboard flash
2012-11-20T04:20:53  <finnland> so the thing i'm trying to do is to run RTEMS on an old arm7tdmi
2012-11-20T04:21:06  <sebhub> ok, you have to get the exe file into the format expected by the bootloader
2012-11-20T04:23:09  <finnland> yes for that i tried to objdump to binary the exe but i get a binary that is ~2 Mb large
2012-11-20T04:23:30  <finnland> the stripped exe is a few tens of kb only
2012-11-20T04:24:29  <sebhub> your image contains probably loadable sections that are far apart, you can use "readelf -l your.exe"
2012-11-20T04:26:03  <finnland> hmm, i put .text and .rodata in flash @ 0x100000 and .data in sram @ 0x100000 in my linker script
2012-11-20T04:26:17  <finnland> sorry sram @ 0x200000
2012-11-20T04:26:33  <sebhub> which rtems version do you use?
2012-11-20T04:26:44  <finnland> 4.10.2
2012-11-20T04:27:19  <finnland> so not with the nice common linker scripts :)
2012-11-20T04:27:46  <sebhub> you should place the load section of your data into the flash
2012-11-20T04:35:29  <finnland> hmm, which identifier is that? I'm new to linker scripting.
2012-11-20T04:36:49  <sebhub> in this case i would use the latest git master
2012-11-20T04:37:40  <finnland> ok, i can switch to that
2012-11-20T04:38:01  <finnland> are there any known issues with it?
2012-11-20T04:38:11  <sebhub> the load region is specified by the "AT" element, e.g. } > REGION_START AT > REGION_START
2012-11-20T04:38:25  <sebhub> with the git master?
2012-11-20T04:38:36  <finnland> yes
2012-11-20T04:38:49  <sebhub> the status of your bsp is unknown
2012-11-20T04:39:00  <sebhub> do you have a debugger?
2012-11-20T04:39:15  <finnland> i have access to one yes
2012-11-20T04:39:59  <finnland> that specific BSP is not important since i'm trying to create a new bsp anyway
2012-11-20T04:40:27  <sebhub> in this case i strongly recommend to use the git master
2012-11-20T04:46:57  <finnland> ok, then i'll move over to that
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2012-11-20T20:03:22  <kiwichris> Hi Joel
2012-11-20T20:03:47  <DrJoel> hey chris.. working on gci tasks. I thought we had until next Friday. I see students can sign up Monday.. :(
2012-11-20T20:04:16  <kiwichris> Oush
2012-11-20T20:04:17  <kiwichris> ouch
2012-11-20T20:04:37  <DrJoel> That's why I sent out the pdf->text example for review.
2012-11-20T20:04:45  <DrJoel> I am working on the Doxygen headers one now
2012-11-20T20:05:00  <kiwichris> Ok
2012-11-20T20:05:04  <DrJoel> I am hoping to get our unfinished tasks from last year out of Melange and import them again
2012-11-20T20:05:30  <kiwichris> Just pushed entry point support to the rtems-ld tool. Will add application loading support to the target now.
2012-11-20T20:05:30  <DrJoel> I can generate 160 of the Doxygen header tasks. :)
2012-11-20T20:05:47  <kiwichris> That will keep the students busy
2012-11-20T20:06:02  <DrJoel> cool! I sent embedded brains the pdfs for the class material.. teaching week of Dec 9 there
2012-11-20T20:06:06  <DrJoel> and us
2012-11-20T20:06:27  <DrJoel> we need more mentors..
2012-11-20T20:07:42  <kiwichris> Is there something that clearly explains the role and tasks a mentor does ? Maybe people do not know or understand and so do not offer.
2012-11-20T20:08:58  <DrJoel> May be in the FAQ. It isn't nearly as rough as GSOC mentoring... just need to be quick :)
2012-11-20T20:09:07  <kiwichris> I have made the default entry point 'rtems', ie "int rtems(int argc, char** argv)"
2012-11-20T20:10:06  <DrJoel> that makes sense..
2012-11-20T20:10:12  <kiwichris> Yes how-ever if you do not know this you think it is a heavy weight role. Also people may think they need to be an RTEMS developer to apply which is also wrong
2012-11-20T20:10:43  <kiwichris> The mentoring role is more of a marker role
2012-11-20T20:12:18  <kiwichris> Is no entry symbol an error or a warning ? If a warning is the warning only shown if the warnings option is on the command line ?
2012-11-20T20:13:17  <kiwichris> Hmmm maybe the entry symbols is 'undefined' and forced into the undefined symbol table to make it link in the correct things.
2012-11-20T20:14:35  <DrJoel> gotta run.. cya
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2012-11-21T01:35:38  <kiwichris> hi
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2012-11-22T01:30:47  <sebhub> good morning
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