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2012-10-15T01:17:39  <sebhub> good morning
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2012-10-15T07:51:58  <hagigat> hello
2012-10-15T07:52:36  <hagigat> does RTEMS have smp or symetric multi processing support?
2012-10-15T07:53:45  <hagigat> #rtems
2012-10-15T07:56:19  <sebhub> this is work in progress
2012-10-15T08:15:28  <hagigat> how about asymmetric multi processing?
2012-10-15T08:20:48  <hagigat> does rtems have the complete tcp/ip stack as large as Linux?
2012-10-15T08:21:38  <hagigat> What user level network protocols it supports? does it have SNMP?
2012-10-15T08:23:14  <hagigat> all RTEMS code is executed in kernel-mode?(CPU ring zero)
2012-10-15T08:23:22  <sebhub> rtems uses the usb stack from FreeBSD 4.2
2012-10-15T08:23:37  <sebhub> we work on a port from FreeBSD 8.0 or 9.0 with IPv6
2012-10-15T08:23:42  <sebhub> lwIP is also an option
2012-10-15T08:23:53  <sebhub> rtems executes in supervisor mode
2012-10-15T08:24:15  <sebhub> SNMP is application specific
2012-10-15T08:24:28  <hagigat> Thank you sebhub
2012-10-15T08:24:35  <sebhub> asymmetric multi processing is supported
2012-10-15T08:24:38  <sebhub> via message passing
2012-10-15T08:25:01  <sebhub> sorry, not usb stack, network stack
2012-10-15T08:25:11  <sebhub> the usb stack is from FreeBSD 8.0
2012-10-15T08:25:52  <hagigat> does RTEMS network stack as large as Linux stack?
2012-10-15T08:26:11  <hagigat> for example we have ipsec in Linuux
2012-10-15T08:26:16  <sebhub> the FreeBSD stack is the reference implementation of TCP/IP
2012-10-15T08:26:24  <hagigat> does rtmes let us do ipsec?!!!
2012-10-15T08:26:45  <sebhub> probably with the new stack
2012-10-15T08:27:10  <hagigat> i think rtems have very limited number of IETF standards
2012-10-15T08:27:14  <sebhub> but, this is also work in progress which you can sponsor ;-)
2012-10-15T08:27:39  <sebhub> the current stack is quite old and only supports IPv4
2012-10-15T08:28:27  <hagigat>  i have seen the source code of RTEMS 4.10.2, it is very small. How its network stack can be compared with Linux
2012-10-15T08:29:52  <hagigat> does RTEMS have RSVP protocol?
2012-10-15T08:30:34  <hagigat> or SOCKS? SSH, LDAP, TLS, SSL?
2012-10-15T08:30:55  <hagigat> OSPF, BGP, IGMP?
2012-10-15T08:31:38  <hagigat> So the question is that what protocols does it have? is there a complete list?
2012-10-15T08:31:50  <sebhub> most items of your list are not part of Linux
2012-10-15T08:33:17  <sebhub> the FreeBSD 8.0 or 9.0 based network will be fairly complete
2012-10-15T08:35:20  <hagigat> can RTEMS be executed on a intel based mother board, core i7 with ICH11?
2012-10-15T08:36:02  <sebhub> i don't know, never worked with intel and rtems, we use powerpc, arm, and coldfire
2012-10-15T08:36:39  <sebhub> in which rtems feature are you interested in?
2012-10-15T08:37:34  <hagigat> the part of hardware related, also interrupts and the scheduler
2012-10-15T08:38:56  <hagigat> i am looking for minimum scheduling latency
2012-10-15T08:39:32  <hagigat> defining real time threads which can meet timing deadlines
2012-10-15T08:40:30  <sebhub> there are also real time extensions for linux
2012-10-15T08:40:54  <hagigat> I believe that RTEMS is executed on embedded platforms like arm based small fanless boards
2012-10-15T08:41:27  <hagigat> what do you suggest for having a hard real time system
2012-10-15T08:42:02  <sebhub> we run it also on multi-core powerpc systems
2012-10-15T08:42:16  <sebhub> it depends on your application requirements
2012-10-15T08:43:22  <hagigat> do those mother boards have VGA, keyboard, DVD drive, hard disk like a general purpose computer?
2012-10-15T08:43:34  <sebhub> no
2012-10-15T08:44:44  <hagigat> besides you trust the real time threads you are executing. Because each thread has access to the whole RAM
2012-10-15T08:45:25  <sebhub> yes, one process multiple threads
2012-10-15T08:45:45  <sebhub> everything has a trade-off
2012-10-15T08:47:06  <hagigat> does RTEMS has a periodic timer interrupt? it has a tick based scheduler i think
2012-10-15T08:47:35  <sebhub> yes
2012-10-15T08:49:09  <hagigat> does RTEMS project originated in USA?
2012-10-15T08:49:17  <sebhub> yes
2012-10-15T08:50:34  <hagigat> you told about asymmetric multi processing. Where is its code in the RTEMS source tree?
2012-10-15T08:50:53  <hagigat> i have RTEMS 4.10.2
2012-10-15T08:51:04  <hagigat> i mean what folder?
2012-10-15T08:51:20  <sebhub> look for RTEMS_MULTIPROCESSING, its also in the C users guide
2012-10-15T08:51:51  <sebhub> or directories shmsupp
2012-10-15T08:57:17  <hagigat> shmsupp is seen in README files mostly, no directory named shmsupp !!
2012-10-15T08:59:12  <sebhub> ./c/src/lib/libbsp/no_cpu/no_bsp/shmsupp
2012-10-15T08:59:14  <sebhub> ./c/src/lib/libbsp/sparc/leon3/shmsupp
2012-10-15T08:59:15  <sebhub> ./c/src/lib/libbsp/powerpc/qoriq/shmsupp
2012-10-15T08:59:17  <sebhub> ./c/src/lib/libbsp/powerpc/psim/shmsupp
2012-10-15T08:59:18  <sebhub> ./c/src/lib/libbsp/m68k/mvme136/shmsupp
2012-10-15T08:59:20  <sebhub> ./c/src/lib/libbsp/m68k/mvme147s/shmsupp
2012-10-15T09:04:53  <hagigat> Now i understood the meaning of asymmetric. it is for one or several CPU
2012-10-15T09:05:35  <hagigat> but RTEMS doe snot support distributed processing
2012-10-15T09:08:05  <hagigat> Suppose an ethernet frame arrives and an interrupt happens in the middle of a real time thread. does that interrupt is taken by RTEMS?
2012-10-15T09:15:15  <sebhub> in case interrupts are  not disabled, then yes
2012-10-15T09:16:01  <hagigat> so a real time thread can be delayed by nested interrupts
2012-10-15T09:18:33  <sebhub> yes, but you can disable/enable interrupts yourself
2012-10-15T09:25:37  <hagigat> thank you
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2012-10-16T01:20:21  <sebhub> good morning
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2012-10-17T07:56:51  <jkridner> anyone seen DrJoel recently?
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2012-10-17T12:44:12  <verm__> jkridner: email him
2012-10-17T12:44:25  <jkridner> I did. :)
2012-10-17T13:45:22  <verm__> ah, then he's probably busy the mentor summit is getting up which is he leaving for tomorrow
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