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I took what the gsoc student had done, input from dufault, and the nios api you emailed and tried to make something that can support it all 2011-12-05T10:06:36 i am curious, i have also the MPU support for ARMv7-M ready 2011-12-05T10:07:03 great. i will push some more this month then 2011-12-05T10:30:15 * DrJoel was helping Jennifer with MIPS Malta BSP.. back now.. will review patch gedare.. hold on. 2011-12-05T10:30:23 okiedokie 2011-12-05T10:30:57 when will we switch to git this year or next year? 2011-12-05T10:32:49 Chris and Amar will make a recommendation when they think it is ready. 2011-12-05T10:33:23 ok great, i am really looking forward to use it 2011-12-05T10:33:28 I know Jeff was going to switch git.rtems.org to CentOS 6. Fedora updates too fast for servers and we need more stability 2011-12-05T10:33:42 me too. I haven't really used it yet in more than toy projects 2011-12-05T10:34:02 I think it is getting closer but Chris has been swamped. Amar is using it (I think) and is making awesome progress on buildbot so every check in will get a compile and eventually tests run 2011-12-05T10:34:13 will rtems.org be running a "github" for developer branches? 2011-12-05T10:34:50 uses the buildbot the standard build system or waf? 2011-12-05T10:35:05 i believe he uses waf 2011-12-05T10:40:58 * DrJoel whispers.. he is usijng waf.. build times are massively improved. I expect after 4.11, there will be a huge, passionate discussion about converting to waf. I can see a rapid 4.12 which is not much more than 4.11 converted to waf if we decide to proceed 2011-12-05T10:41:14 * gedare gets passionate 2011-12-05T10:41:32 I am not a dictator (contrary to popular opinion) so the discussion of technical merits and direction will be open and public. This is a big thing to consider 2011-12-05T10:41:50 are we too close to 4.11 to bring it up now? 2011-12-05T10:42:01 * gedare grins mischievously 2011-12-05T10:46:18 I hope we are very close to 4.11. It has been well over a year without a major branch. We are overdue and need to wrap it up. 2011-12-05T10:46:25 This would be a first thing after 4.11 2011-12-05T10:46:36 I wouldn't hold 4.11 for the BSP Jennifer is working on. :) 2011-12-05T10:48:17 * DrJoel thinks gedare did not proofread the documentation patch. :) 2011-12-05T10:48:25 I will have some comments .. I am about 1/5 through 2011-12-05T10:48:35 ok you got me 2011-12-05T10:48:59 what can I say, it's monday 2011-12-05T10:49:18 it's OK. I am thrilled to know you caught that the patch didn't apply cleanly. :) 2011-12-05T10:49:26 hah 2011-12-05T10:50:11 i'll proofread it now too. I'm on an rtems day today 2011-12-05T10:50:25 writing up a blog post regarding memory protection. easier to format than an email 2011-12-05T10:51:37 actually I'll wait for your comments. *back to writing* 2011-12-05T10:51:57 Hi 2011-12-05T10:52:00 Just to let you know that I don't live a live of luxury.. read my yelp review on the place we stayed this weekend. http://www.yelp.com/biz/days-inn-of-monteagle-monteagle#hrid:PtOamX_IJARv98bvTOSwSA 2011-12-05T10:52:07 Hmm waf sounds interesting 2011-12-05T10:52:25 Does this replace the whole autoconf/automake stuff? 2011-12-05T10:52:29 haha epic 2011-12-05T10:52:45 peerst: yes I believe it does. and the reported build times are blazing fast 2011-12-05T10:52:46 peerst .. yes.. no bootstrap 2011-12-05T10:53:00 well, it replaces how we generate them ;) 2011-12-05T10:53:11 * peerst wantsit 2011-12-05T10:53:15 Chris says faster to build cpukit than bootstrap on his modest mac notebook 2011-12-05T10:53:38 so whats the magic in waf? 2011-12-05T10:53:47 peerst: Email Chris and Amar. He is keeping it tight until he is happy 2011-12-05T10:54:10 Ok I'm happy to wait 2011-12-05T10:54:33 drjoel: you're totally getting that maid fired 2011-12-05T10:54:34 First there is no bootstrap process like autoconf/make... It is in Python.. no shell invocations from make. Avoiding 1000s of shell invocations is a big deal 2011-12-05T10:54:54 Looks like some really good news for rtems users: git + better build 2011-12-05T10:55:06 I did not mention her name.. but you are right.. she was likely the only one there I want the owner nailed 2011-12-05T10:55:57 peerst: RTEMS is an old project.. Gedare, Chris and I have talked a lot about that. Decisions made 10+ years ago were right then but may not be right now. New, different and sometimes better tools are available now 2011-12-05T10:57:36 Yeah I know how it is ... still converting my old CVS repositories, waited until I found a real improvement so e.g. I skipped SVN 2011-12-05T10:58:10 same thing for RTEMS .. svn wasn't enough better to be worth the investment.. 2011-12-05T10:59:07 Its really interesting: the two main ingredients for my projects are old projects: Erlang is old and RTEMS is old hmm FreeBSD has ancient roots that makes it 3 2011-12-05T10:59:43 * gedare wants to use clang 2011-12-05T11:00:03 old means survived.. which should mean that there was strength and good qualities in the project and its code. :) 2011-12-05T11:00:13 My main contracting project for next year is showing its shape and there were some surprises 2011-12-05T11:00:33 waf should also help step in that direction.. bsp_specs are gcc specific and Chris plans to eliminate them to help the waf conversion 2011-12-05T11:00:45 Looks like we use a minimal RTEMS layer with some device drivers and put a Erlang VM on top 2011-12-05T11:01:24 Do most of the work in Erlang 2011-12-05T11:02:30 Erlang folks will be very interested in this ... what they call "embedded" is still Linux+Erlang 2011-12-05T11:03:20 And this will also be a nice fit with RTEMS SMP support 2011-12-05T11:04:11 sounds interesting 2011-12-05T11:04:25 And the soft realtime responsiveness of Erlang should be even better when there isn't a UNIX size kernel below it 2011-12-05T11:05:21 I'm pretty excited, its not 100% sure if the project will happen but if it happens it will be loads of fun 2011-12-05T11:06:08 sounds cool 2011-12-05T11:06:49 an Erlang-RTEMS kit would be good 2011-12-05T11:06:55 We need to get creating a web page for your octopus programmer written up as a google code-in project. Second batch gets released next week and couple of weeks a student could create it. :) 2011-12-05T11:08:11 gedare: I plan to build such a kit: rtems + erlang bundle ready to run 2011-12-05T11:08:20 fantastic 2011-12-05T11:14:39 cu 2011-12-05T11:14:51 bye.. hope your time off was nice 2011-12-05T11:15:09 yes, it was great in new york, perfect weather 2011-12-05T11:15:58 I am glad you enjoyed it. Hope the airport security was not too intrusive 2011-12-05T11:16:34 they were so board, nearly sleeped away during the passport check 2011-12-05T11:16:41 bored 2011-12-05T11:16:47 lucky for you.. 2011-12-05T11:17:00 I got a through check a couple of trips ago here in Huntsville.. 2011-12-05T11:17:40 I used to get the special treatment all the time while I still had my beard and was traveling alone 2011-12-05T11:17:45 *** sebhub has quit IRC (Remote host closed the connection) 2011-12-05T11:17:46 I had an evil can of shaving cream in my bag (not in 1 liter bag) and a travel shampoo bottle had fallen out and was in the bottom of my backpack.. not very nice at me until I thanked them for finding it for me. I though I had lost it 2011-12-05T11:24:27 *** neo1987___ has quit IRC () 2011-12-05T11:49:48 DrJoel: i have made serious headway on that 2011-12-05T11:49:57 (waf) 2011-12-05T11:54:15 i'll probably be ok for some very private testing later this week 2011-12-05T11:54:57 nice 2011-12-05T11:55:19 I hope I didn't say too much.. I am excited at the progress 2011-12-05T11:56:03 If you remember I mentioned we used an ancient texi2www which predates the official texi2html.. which will itself be deprecated in the next texinfo release? 2011-12-05T11:56:28 I now have the docs building with texi2html.. hope to get it cleaned up in the next few days and merged. That eliminates one ancient tool 2011-12-05T11:57:48 DrJoel: getting early inside information is one benefit of being on the irc channel 2011-12-05T11:58:01 so you didn't say too much 2011-12-05T12:02:31 o 2011-12-05T12:03:07 i've been working on it between things, there were a few major blocking issues that i finally got down to solving (had to do with the rtems source) 2011-12-05T12:03:26 i ended up writing a half a dozen python scripts to do the work and verify it 2011-12-05T12:04:30 gedare, DrJoel: what platforms do you use for rtems devel? 2011-12-05T12:05:04 because RPMs are usually the most up-to-date I use Fedora 2011-12-05T12:05:24 i see, ok 2011-12-05T12:05:41 Chris has some scripts to help with building tools on Mac... 2011-12-05T12:05:49 yep 2011-12-05T12:05:51 i use freebsd here 2011-12-05T12:05:53 I've used ubuntu before and managed my own scripts but it gets cumbersome 2011-12-05T12:06:33 personally have never used freebsd but I think it would be awesome if we had package support for it, then I would definitely give it a try 2011-12-05T12:06:58 chris updated his specbuilder last night to support freebsd 2011-12-05T12:07:03 i'm going to giv eit a shot later this evening 2011-12-05T12:07:18 freebsd ports has some old rtems tools that work fine 2011-12-05T12:07:21 oooh email me at rtems.org if it is painless :) 2011-12-05T12:07:38 maybe i'll take a weekend to set up a partition on my desktop 2011-12-05T12:08:47 gedare@? 2011-12-05T12:09:32 yeah 2011-12-05T12:09:34 rtems.org 2011-12-05T12:09:44 ok 2011-12-05T12:24:52 drjoel: I think rtems-vc might be broken now 2011-12-05T12:25:08 rather, I haven't seen any messages from it since the 2nd 2011-12-05T12:25:52 chris knows the fedora upgrade broke it 2011-12-05T12:25:59 Oh 2011-12-05T12:26:28 have you tried out the git repository? 2011-12-05T12:27:23 only a little. 2011-12-05T12:36:18 gedare: I thought Chris and Ralf fixed it.. :( 2011-12-05T12:36:55 Chris had hand installed perl script package and its dependencies broke. Ralf built an RPM for it and added it to RTEMS repo so it would stay correct in future 2011-12-05T12:37:40 ahhh 2011-12-05T12:38:09 well I think something is misconfigured. 2011-12-05T12:38:56 dang. I should have pointed out that Ralf's argument about not having commits get emailed to developers is a great reason to have a devel list for capturing responses to commits :) 2011-12-05T12:48:15 every subject is Changelog or Re: Changelog 2011-12-05T12:53:35 DrJoel: can you go release my message to rtems-users? I think it was blocked because I bcc'd there... 2011-12-05T12:53:52 or i will re-send it 2011-12-05T12:56:26 I prefer to have the bcc allowed, unless there is some good reason not to 2011-12-05T13:00:53 nvm i cancelled it... 2011-12-05T13:00:59 I will notify the rtems-users list separately. 2011-12-05T13:08:44 ok.. jeff usually does that btw 2011-12-05T13:48:25 *** arvind_khadri has joined #rtems 2011-12-05T13:54:06 verm__: also on freebsd here 2011-12-05T13:56:14 nice 2011-12-05T13:57:01 nice to hear that freebsd might be a more standard supported plattform for building rtems stuff 2011-12-05T13:57:21 customer of me is also on freebsd and using rtems 2011-12-05T14:03:20 most of my customers are on freebsd as well 2011-12-05T14:03:28 customers/clients 2011-12-05T14:14:28 Hi 2011-12-05T14:14:34 hi kiwichris 2011-12-05T14:15:03 For git it is just a matter or a date then Amar will cut a final convert. If ok we switch. 2011-12-05T14:15:13 I am away for 2 week after Xmas. 2011-12-05T14:15:20 Just heading out then will be back 2011-12-05T14:16:20 bye chris.. did you hear from alan? 2011-12-05T14:16:51 I think everyone disappearing for christmas makes is a bad idea until 2012.. then it is just another sign of the end of the world 2011-12-05T14:17:10 * DrJoel just submitted the patch to convert us complete to texi2html!!!! YEAH!!! It is ready!!! 2011-12-05T14:17:24 * DrJoel would appreciate a quick review from anyone.. needs to be committed :) 2011-12-05T14:51:10 No I have not heard from him 2011-12-05T14:51:34 Post to the devel list for review :) 2011-12-05T14:57:57 come on drjoel, the rtems-devel is there for a reason! 2011-12-05T14:58:25 omg enormous patch! 2011-12-05T15:00:25 if the documentation builds I say just push it 2011-12-05T15:01:24 hmmm, fc14 is EOL. I might just be trying freebsd sooner than I thought 2011-12-05T15:05:22 hehe 2011-12-05T15:07:56 *** antgreen has joined #rtems 2011-12-05T15:18:00 gedare: I didn't even peel the onion of seeing what new texinfo features we had avoided using because we would have had to implement them in texi2www ourselves. :) 2011-12-05T15:18:13 Again an old tool holding us back .. 2011-12-05T15:18:37 I am using FC15 at work.. fc14 on machines at home still.. need to upgrade them I suppose over the holidays 2011-12-05T15:19:11 gedare & chris.. if you don't mind, throw that you two are OK if it builds on the PR. 2011-12-05T15:19:22 I am on MacOS and a FreeBSD. I have a Linux box about to play with. 2011-12-05T15:19:38 i'm going to try freebsd if I hear good things about specbuilder. 2011-12-05T15:20:33 i OK'd it 2011-12-05T15:20:40 It is being worked on to build the tools. Should be working if I can find an expert to help answer some questions I have. 2011-12-05T15:22:57 gedare, I have been thinking about a name for what we call "memory protections". 2011-12-05T15:23:18 good... I think we need something better than what I have been using 2011-12-05T15:23:24 simply for the wordiness :) 2011-12-05T15:24:10 I was ponding "Arenas" or "Memory Protection Arenas" (MPA). 2011-12-05T15:24:37 A constructs which specific memory attributes that can be shared amount tasks 2011-12-05T15:24:46 which -> with 2011-12-05T15:25:19 amount -> amongst 2011-12-05T15:26:21 does the usage conflict with the notion of arena allocators, or do you think we'll be safe enough 2011-12-05T15:27:55 I think the name supports this. You alloc some memory, set some attributes and then share this memory with selected tasks. Other tasks cannot access the memory. 2011-12-05T15:28:40 A side effect of this work is the need for archs and therefore BSPs to cleanly handle faults. 2011-12-05T15:28:41 hmmm ok i will think on it. you should comment to the devel list too :) 2011-12-05T15:28:47 Will do. 2011-12-05T15:29:05 yes the low-level support code must deal with exceptions 2011-12-05T15:29:42 though we might be able to take a conservative view of exception as an illegal action and kill the offending code 2011-12-05T15:29:45 After that how we deal with faulting tasks. Kill ? Suspend ? 2011-12-05T15:30:08 that's a policy decision that we should be flexible about 2011-12-05T15:30:11 Maybe suspect and some form of event for a monitor which can clean up 2011-12-05T15:30:25 Yes. A suspend lets you poke around after 2011-12-05T15:30:56 this may motivate some work in delayed isr handler framework 2011-12-05T15:31:01 something i've been thinking about for awhile 2011-12-05T15:31:12 I also see hardware limits on the number of arenas support 2011-12-05T15:31:27 the low-level exception handler can just fire a message to a higher-level delayed handler that runs in score or something to deal with such things 2011-12-05T15:31:31 definitely there are 2011-12-05T15:31:34 Hmmm a fault in an ISR. Interesting ! 2011-12-05T15:31:57 yes we are testing this code now and have avoided applying protection to the workspace 2011-12-05T15:32:01 because the ISR vector table lives there 2011-12-05T15:32:11 otherwise things break badly 2011-12-05T15:32:23 One some arch that is true. 2011-12-05T15:32:25 same reason I suspect sebastian has been pushing for task stack allocators :) 2011-12-05T15:32:36 Yes 2011-12-05T15:32:46 it will all come together nicely I hope 2011-12-05T15:32:50 need to head out again, be back soon 2011-12-05T15:32:52 Ok 2011-12-05T15:33:01 send that naming email) 2011-12-05T15:39:21 *** arvind_khadri has quit IRC (Read error: Operation timed out) 2011-12-05T15:52:30 *** arvind_khadri has joined #rtems 2011-12-05T16:03:27 gedare: if no one comments by midday tomorrow, I will commit it. 2011-12-05T16:03:39 sounds good. 2011-12-05T16:03:44 gedare: in discussions with various freebsd developers about the state of freebsd for users i was pointed to pc-bsd 2011-12-05T16:03:53 give that a shot as it is far more user-oriented than freebsd 2011-12-05T16:04:08 Hm Okay 2011-12-05T16:04:16 thanks 2011-12-05T16:04:16 it's still freebsd 2011-12-05T16:04:19 just more user-friendly :) 2011-12-05T16:04:38 Hehe okay 2011-12-05T16:04:51 *** arvind_khadri has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 252 seconds) 2011-12-05T16:05:28 freebsd is great, and stable as far as it's tools go they are not.. hmm, easy to learn if you're not someone that has used fulltime for a while 2011-12-05T16:13:10 bye 2011-12-05T16:13:11 *** gedare has quit IRC (Quit: Ex-Chat) 2011-12-05T16:17:12 *** Ivaylo has joined #rtems 2011-12-05T16:17:38 *** arvind_khadri has joined #rtems 2011-12-05T16:17:38 *** arvind_khadri has joined #rtems 2011-12-05T16:17:41 Hello, can someone make a review of my task ? 2011-12-05T16:22:22 which one? 2011-12-05T16:23:17 verm__, if we wait until after new year to change to git that means mid-Jan because I am away until 16th Jan. 2011-12-05T16:23:33 verm__, how does this sit with you ? 2011-12-05T16:25:57 wow that's a long way away 2011-12-05T16:26:17 you're gone after new years? 2011-12-05T16:27:52 yeah. It is either soon'ish, if Joel agrees of mid-Jan. I am way in Bali for 2 weeks from the end of the year. 2011-12-05T16:28:21 I mean or min Jan, unless someone else handles any issues over the new year. 2011-12-05T16:29:54 does development slow down over the holidays? 2011-12-05T16:30:13 if we say the 16th that gives two weeks to iron things out is this not enough time? 2011-12-05T16:30:14 DrJoel: http://www.google-melange.com/gci/task/view/google/gci2011/7126270 2011-12-05T16:30:32 I will be very happy if someone can review it now 2011-12-05T16:31:34 I suppose is comes down to a 4.10 release. MMS needs a fix which will go in today and there maybe another if I can see a simple solution. The file delete time is not fast enough 2011-12-05T16:33:59 Ivaylo, nice page. Love the pic of the instruments. I will forward the link to Alan. 2011-12-05T16:34:09 well, doing the switch after 4.10 would be nice 2011-12-05T16:34:58 DrJoel, any chance of a pic of you in front of the sat for this page ? :) 2011-12-05T16:36:00 kiwichris: thank you 2011-12-05T16:40:20 good night from me guys 2011-12-05T16:40:37 Ivaylo, night and thank you for the page 2011-12-05T16:40:54 nite 2011-12-05T16:41:17 *** Ivaylo has quit IRC () 2011-12-05T16:44:55 I will close the task when I get home.. 2011-12-05T16:44:59 *** DrJoel has quit IRC (Quit: Leaving) 2011-12-05T16:51:27 *** arvind_khadri has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 240 seconds) 2011-12-05T17:55:19 *** kiwichris has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 244 seconds) 2011-12-05T18:00:13 *** kiwichris has joined #rtems 2011-12-05T21:09:16 *** arvind_khadri has joined #rtems 2011-12-05T21:40:15 *** xiangfu has quit IRC (Remote host closed the connection) 2011-12-05T22:03:35 *** xiangfu has joined #rtems 2011-12-05T22:29:36 *** arvind_khadri has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 240 seconds) 2011-12-05T23:25:28 *** antgreen has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 240 seconds) 2011-12-05T23:27:12 *** arvind_khadri has joined #rtems 2011-12-05T23:27:13 *** arvind_khadri has joined #rtems 2011-12-05T23:46:11 *** rtemsLogger` has joined #rtems 2011-12-05T23:46:16 *** rtemsLogger has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 240 seconds) 2011-12-06T00:45:09 *** arvind_khadri has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 248 seconds) 2011-12-06T00:58:11 *** arvind_khadri has joined #rtems 2011-12-06T00:58:11 *** arvind_khadri has joined #rtems 2011-12-06T01:32:43 *** sebhub has joined #rtems 2011-12-06T01:32:53 good morning 2011-12-06T01:33:04 sebhub, hi 2011-12-06T05:20:30 *** Ivaylo has joined #rtems 2011-12-06T05:20:44 kiwichris 2011-12-06T07:38:10 someone ? 2011-12-06T07:47:30 ? 2011-12-06T08:02:43 can some make a review of my task in GCI ? 2011-12-06T08:03:13 sry i am not involved in GCI 2011-12-06T08:11:41 *** xiangfu has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 252 seconds) 2011-12-06T08:18:26 *** xiangfu has joined #rtems 2011-12-06T08:32:33 *** Ivaylo has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 252 seconds) 2011-12-06T08:40:40 *** Ivaylo has joined #rtems 2011-12-06T09:10:49 *** sebhub has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 252 seconds) 2011-12-06T09:10:53 *** antgreen has joined #rtems 2011-12-06T10:07:16 *** arvind_khadri has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 268 seconds) 2011-12-06T10:37:21 *** Ivaylo has quit IRC () 2011-12-06T11:33:55 *** gedare has joined #rtems 2011-12-06T11:42:06 *** arvind_khadri has joined #rtems 2011-12-06T11:42:06 *** arvind_khadri has joined #rtems 2011-12-06T16:58:57 *** antgreen has quit IRC (Remote host closed the connection) 2011-12-06T17:02:32 *** gedare has quit IRC (Quit: Ex-Chat) 2011-12-06T18:43:24 *** xiangfu has quit IRC (Quit: Leaving) 2011-12-06T20:39:10 *** arvind_khadri has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 244 seconds) 2011-12-06T20:51:28 *** arvind_khadri has joined #rtems 2011-12-06T21:34:07 *** arvind_khadri has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 240 seconds) 2011-12-06T21:46:20 *** arvind_khadri has joined #rtems 2011-12-06T21:46:20 *** arvind_khadri has joined #rtems 2011-12-06T21:53:38 *** xiangfu has joined #rtems 2011-12-06T21:55:02 *** arvind_khadri has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 248 seconds) 2011-12-06T21:58:38 *** xiangfu has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 240 seconds) 2011-12-06T22:07:14 *** arvind_khadri has joined #rtems 2011-12-06T22:14:39 *** xiangfu has joined #rtems 2011-12-06T22:36:10 *** arvind_khadri has quit IRC (Read error: Operation timed out) 2011-12-07T00:19:00 *** arvind_khadri has joined #rtems 2011-12-07T00:22:20 *** arvind_khadri has quit IRC (Remote host closed the connection) 2011-12-07T00:32:47 *** xiangfu has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 240 seconds) 2011-12-07T00:42:45 *** arvind_khadri has joined #rtems 2011-12-07T00:46:06 *** arvind_khadri has quit IRC (Remote host closed the connection) 2011-12-07T00:49:17 *** arvind_khadri has joined #rtems 2011-12-07T01:06:09 *** arvind_khadri has quit IRC (Quit: Leaving) 2011-12-07T01:08:24 *** arvind_khadri has joined #rtems 2011-12-07T01:12:17 *** arvind_khadri has quit IRC (Remote host closed the connection) 2011-12-07T01:13:58 *** arvind_khadri has joined #rtems 2011-12-07T01:13:58 *** arvind_khadri has joined #rtems 2011-12-07T01:28:46 *** arvind_khadri has quit IRC (Remote host closed the connection) 2011-12-07T01:33:41 *** arvind_khadri has joined #rtems 2011-12-07T01:33:42 *** arvind_khadri has joined #rtems 2011-12-07T01:35:48 *** sebhub has joined #rtems 2011-12-07T01:36:43 good morning 2011-12-07T01:38:57 *** xiangfu has joined #rtems 2011-12-07T01:40:55 *** arvind_khadri has quit IRC (Remote host closed the connection) 2011-12-07T01:53:42 *** xiangfu has quit IRC (Ping timeout: 244 seconds) 2011-12-07T01:56:52 *** dirtycookie has joined #rtems 2011-12-07T01:57:25 hello i have a question concerning the plugin setup of rtems: http://www.rtems.com/wiki/index.php/RTEMS_Eclipse_Plug-in#Cross-references_not_Working 2011-12-07T01:58:09 in the base path and bsp path those packages are downloaded from your ftp server? 2011-12-07T01:59:04 no, this is the path to the installed tools and bsps 2011-12-07T01:59:48 the rtems-4.10.1.tar.bz2 for example? 2011-12-07T02:00:47 before you start with eclipse make sure that you installed everything correctly and are able to build the examples on the command line 2011-12-07T02:02:47 mingw,cygwin and msys is there. what is the right term to search for bsp then/ 2011-12-07T02:02:49 ? 2011-12-07T02:03:51 which host os do you use? 2011-12-07T02:03:57 windows 2011-12-07T02:04:10 which tool chain did you install? 2011-12-07T02:04:58 as i mentioned from above 2011-12-07T02:07:31 im stuck at the plugin setup where u have to tell it where this and that is. i didn't get the 1st 2 from the top. "Base path" and "BSP path" 2011-12-07T02:08:11 sry, I am not able to see what tool chain you use 2011-12-07T02:09:19 for the coldfire arch 2011-12-07T02:09:28 *** arvind_khadri has joined #rtems 2011-12-07T02:09:37 ok, but do you use mingw or cygwin? 2011-12-07T02:10:37 yes 2011-12-07T02:11:19 you use both? 2011-12-07T02:11:31 msys and cygwin ? 2011-12-07T02:12:01 i have both, and following the instructions of the wiki of rtems 2011-12-07T02:12:10 you can use both, but for the moment you should choose one 2011-12-07T02:12:22 i would use mingw 2011-12-07T02:12:32 ok fine 2011-12-07T02:12:49 did you install the 4.10 or other tools? 2011-12-07T02:13:36 well im now at this link and downloading the tools autotools 2011-12-07T02:13:39 4 now 2011-12-07T02:14:23 which link? 2011-12-07T02:14:37 http://www.rtems.com/ftp/pub/rtems/windows/4.10/build-1/rtems4.10-tools-1.exe 2011-12-07T02:14:47 http://www.rtems.com/ftp/pub/rtems/windows/4.10/build-1/rtems4.10-tools-autotools-1.exe 2011-12-07T02:14:51 Please do not use that. 2011-12-07T02:14:53 i would not use them 2011-12-07T02:15:01 ok 2011-12-07T02:15:13 what should i go for/ 2011-12-07T02:15:15 ? 2011-12-07T02:15:17 I have a simple shell script that will wget the tar files and install them. 2011-12-07T02:15:31 which rtems version do you intend to use? 2011-12-07T02:15:41 the newest 2011-12-07T02:15:47 4.11? 2011-12-07T02:15:51 Please send me your email address. My address is chrisj at rtems dot org. 2011-12-07T02:15:57 i wanna work on a coldfire v2 2011-12-07T02:16:06 With BDM debugging ? 2011-12-07T02:16:10 i thought 4.10 is the newest 2011-12-07T02:16:14 bdm yes 2011-12-07T02:16:31 Great. I look after the BDM project on sourceforge. 2011-12-07T02:16:46 kiwichris: sending you an email now 2011-12-07T02:17:05 Great. I need to head off for the evening but I will follow this up when I am back again. 2011-12-07T02:17:26 sent an email to kiwichris 2011-12-07T02:17:30 1 sec brb 2011-12-07T02:21:59 ok im back 2011-12-07T02:22:46 kiwichris: ok i have sent you an email, dont know how your script would work on a windows host 2011-12-07T02:39:15 In an msys shell. 2011-12-07T02:39:30 You need to use mingw-get and install the msys-wget package. 2011-12-07T02:39:41 ok 2011-12-07T02:40:26 1st time to get into mingw, how do i get into it 2011-12-07T02:40:53 How did you install it ? From the Mingw web site's latest mingw-get gui installer ? 2011-12-07T02:41:21 the latest gui installer 2011-12-07T02:41:47 it downloaded me a list of archived files and expanded them 2011-12-07T02:42:42 I create a quicklink to C:\MinGW\msys\1.0\msys.bat 2011-12-07T02:42:49 This will open the MSYS shell 2011-12-07T02:43:04 Did you select install msys when you ran the gnu installer ? 2011-12-07T02:43:31 i put a tick at msys and apparently installed everything 2011-12-07T02:44:04 Excellent. 2011-12-07T02:44:08