2011-04-25T00:24:16 *** monstr has joined #rtems 2011-04-25T00:34:54 *** dr__house has joined #rtems 2011-04-25T00:34:54 *** dr__house has joined #rtems 2011-04-25T01:01:57 *** dr__house has quit IRC 2011-04-25T01:42:34 *** xiangfu has joined #rtems 2011-04-25T03:06:20 *** arvind_khadri has joined #rtems 2011-04-25T03:09:19 *** xiangfu has quit IRC 2011-04-25T04:04:27 *** qmor has joined #rtems 2011-04-25T04:04:52 Hello to all. I need working example of initialisation nvdisk on eeprom. I don't know how do it correctly. I have tried make a ram disk, and everything ok, but with nvdisk i have a difficulties. Could someone help me with it? 2011-04-25T06:04:25 *** methril_work has joined #rtems 2011-04-25T06:16:36 *** lj8175 has joined #rtems 2011-04-25T06:19:00 *** monstr has quit IRC 2011-04-25T07:19:54 *** arvind_khadri has quit IRC 2011-04-25T07:35:28 !next 2011-04-25T07:52:17 *** zwj has joined #rtems 2011-04-25T07:56:20 *** arvind_khadri has joined #rtems 2011-04-25T08:00:38 *** lj8175 has quit IRC 2011-04-25T08:02:08 *** lj8175 has joined #rtems 2011-04-25T08:04:04 *** qmor has quit IRC 2011-04-25T08:20:33 *** panzon has joined #rtems 2011-04-25T08:28:07 *** panzon has quit IRC 2011-04-25T08:31:07 *** sqm has joined #rtems 2011-04-25T08:46:14 *** xiangfu has joined #rtems 2011-04-25T09:00:27 *** xiangfu has quit IRC 2011-04-25T09:02:17 *** DrJoel has joined #rtems 2011-04-25T09:02:17 *** ChanServ sets mode: +o DrJoel 2011-04-25T09:14:10 *** xiangfu has joined #rtems 2011-04-25T09:15:58 *** lj8175 has quit IRC 2011-04-25T09:26:16 DrJoel:hello DrJoel 2011-04-25T09:26:52 hey zwj 2011-04-25T09:27:15 it is time to show the result of GSOC 2011-04-25T09:27:29 As I work on the scheduler simulator, I am thinking that how it ends up packaged may end up being close to how we want the hypervisor packaged 2011-04-25T09:27:35 yep.. 2pm here I think 2011-04-25T09:27:44 we were awarded 10000 slots this year! 2011-04-25T09:27:54 how many slots to RTEMS ? 2011-04-25T09:28:05 you don't believe 10000 :-D 2011-04-25T09:28:09 Then how about 8? 2011-04-25T09:28:25 10000? so many? 2011-04-25T09:29:09 i first thought it as 1000. 10000 is so many 2011-04-25T09:29:30 LOL... only 3500 students applied in total. I am just in a silly mood today 2011-04-25T09:29:30 tomorrow is an RTEMS class.. 2011-04-25T09:29:56 way too many.. 2011-04-25T09:30:16 can RTEMS class be accessed though web? 2011-04-25T09:32:28 untill now tobas has not email me the hypervisor related code. i think it is time to contact him for the code 2011-04-25T09:34:58 how about the progress of scheduler simulator? is there any test case or some code to play? 2011-04-25T09:37:47 *** lj8175 has joined #rtems 2011-04-25T09:39:44 *** zwj has quit IRC 2011-04-25T09:40:58 *** zwj has joined #rtems 2011-04-25T10:08:23 *** lj8175 has quit IRC 2011-04-25T10:10:35 I need to move the scheduler simulator into its own CVS module. The current source is in the directory rtems/tools/schedsim BUT.. it needs to be moved out of the main RTEMS tree 2011-04-25T10:13:20 *** lj8175 has joined #rtems 2011-04-25T10:15:20 is there a PR for the schedsim? 2011-04-25T10:21:45 The code is merged on the head 2011-04-25T10:22:20 the changes for scheduler simple SMP are in another tree and coming soon 2011-04-25T10:24:59 expecting 2011-04-25T10:31:04 *** lj8175 has quit IRC 2011-04-25T10:31:35 *** lj8175 has joined #rtems 2011-04-25T10:34:29 *** xiangfu has quit IRC 2011-04-25T10:34:43 *** arvind_khadri has quit IRC 2011-04-25T10:43:19 *** gedare has joined #rtems 2011-04-25T10:45:53 *** lj8175 has quit IRC 2011-04-25T10:47:49 *** lj8175 has joined #rtems 2011-04-25T10:50:15 another 191 minutes, accepted GSoC proposal will be on http://goo.gl/JPGx3 :) 2011-04-25T10:51:16 oo exciting 2011-04-25T10:52:40 pray... exciting 2011-04-25T10:57:00 lj8175: remind me again which one is yours.. then I will know if you have been holy enough 2011-04-25T10:57:13 gcj 2011-04-25T10:57:15 * DrJoel needs to make an announcement about the web cast for GSoC student 2011-04-25T10:57:15 i think 2011-04-25T10:57:27 * DrJoel waves hi to gedare .. 2011-04-25T10:57:36 * gedare waves back 2011-04-25T10:57:59 rtems-schedsim is now rtems-schedsim in the CVS repo.. soon to remove as tool from main tree 2011-04-25T10:58:09 Dr Cicalese' 2011-04-25T10:58:15 that's good 2011-04-25T10:58:26 Dr Cicalese's kids were lucky enough to be picked for Whitehouse Easter Egg thing 2011-04-25T10:58:32 oh neat 2011-04-25T10:58:45 i bet that was fun 2011-04-25T11:00:18 yes 2011-04-25T11:02:08 *** sqm has quit IRC 2011-04-25T11:02:14 can't wait to see pictures 2011-04-25T11:02:16 Sorry for it's 23:59 now in beijing, our school need power off ... :) 2011-04-25T11:04:01 will you get email after that? on phone? 2011-04-25T11:04:34 Maybe if you go to bed early and leave out cookies and milk, santa claus will leave a gift 2011-04-25T11:04:36 LOL 2011-04-25T11:04:46 heh 2011-04-25T11:06:44 *** lj8175 has quit IRC 2011-04-25T11:11:52 looks like he got his lights turned out 2011-04-25T11:15:06 bye, expect good news 2011-04-25T11:15:27 go to bed and hear from i am in. hehe 2011-04-25T11:17:29 *** zwj has quit IRC 2011-04-25T11:17:40 now that is confidence 2011-04-25T11:17:52 drjoel: why bsp_delay? 2011-04-25T11:23:45 many bsps already have it.. not all though. 2011-04-25T11:24:02 it is only useful in the bsp 2011-04-25T11:24:09 But in the vanilla "bsp monitor" routine, you want to get off the data bus for a while in between polls. 2011-04-25T11:24:16 And in drivers if you know there is a known delay 2011-04-25T11:24:34 It is there now in a non-standard way.. better to standardize it 2011-04-25T11:26:19 ok 2011-04-25T11:27:23 *** dr__house has joined #rtems 2011-04-25T11:27:23 *** dr__house has joined #rtems 2011-04-25T11:31:05 do you like the standard message? 2011-04-25T11:31:34 i think it is fine 2011-04-25T11:31:35 gedare: jennifer just mentioned PPC bsps have it commonly, used in network drivers, other places.. seems to be in microseconds 2011-04-25T11:31:53 i thought it was amazingly good for a generic notice. I didn't want to tinker. Do you? 2011-04-25T11:32:03 it is usually in microseconds. it is used for drivers that should be independent of clock driver, but it is not meant to be accurate 2011-04-25T11:32:05 afaiw 2011-04-25T11:33:11 I don't think there is anything to add to the message template 2011-04-25T11:33:41 drjoel: compiling the rtems-schedsim module against the rtems-smp module i'm hitting a compile error 2011-04-25T11:33:48 /home/gedare/rtems/rtems-smp/cpukit/score/src/percpu.c:63:19: error: expected ‘=’, ‘,’, ‘;’, ‘asm’ or ‘__attribute__’ before ‘_Per_CPU_Information’ 2011-04-25T11:33:48 gmake[2]: *** [librtems_a-percpu.o] Error 1 2011-04-25T11:36:31 63 Per_CPU_Control _Per_CPU_Information[1]; 2011-04-25T11:37:19 *** arvind_khadri has joined #rtems 2011-04-25T11:38:10 that is wrong... shouldnt' be hit with --enable-smp 2011-04-25T11:38:11 hmm 2011-04-25T11:44:38 afk lunch 2011-04-25T11:47:22 *** methril has quit IRC 2011-04-25T11:47:30 *** core-ix has quit IRC 2011-04-25T11:48:34 *** methril has joined #rtems 2011-04-25T12:16:55 *** dr__house has quit IRC 2011-04-25T12:39:37 *** gedare has quit IRC 2011-04-25T12:42:57 *** gedare has joined #rtems 2011-04-25T13:16:15 drjoel: any help for building the schedsim module? 2011-04-25T13:37:15 ok i got the scenarios to run (in the smp repo) 2011-04-25T13:47:06 do you still get an error? 2011-04-25T13:47:24 nah i think I got it... now I'm reading code to get a clue 2011-04-25T13:47:35 FYI rtems-schedsim in the /usr1/CVS repository is the current schedsim from rtems cvs module (not SMP) .. almost ready to be its own module 2011-04-25T13:47:49 i tried that one but it failed for me 2011-04-25T13:48:04 i tried to configure it with --enable-smp, but it didn't pass that through to the rtems/configure 2011-04-25T13:48:12 or something 2011-04-25T13:48:28 for building rtems-smp, I had to manually copy cpuopts.h into install/include/schedsim/rtems/score 2011-04-25T13:48:36 and change the PREFIX 2011-04-25T13:48:44 (to compile schedsim_simple) 2011-04-25T13:51:24 doesn't surprise me.. it is new 2011-04-25T13:52:06 i'd like to see better separation of the smp-related bsp functions 2011-04-25T13:52:25 i386/shared/smp-imps.c is too messy:) 2011-04-25T13:52:51 like what? cite an example? 2011-04-25T13:53:14 code came from somewhere else.. trying to preserve similarity to original source 2011-04-25T13:53:35 i would leave the original source in one file, and have a "standard template" for rtems bsp SMP functions 2011-04-25T13:53:39 like we do with bare_bsp stuff 2011-04-25T13:54:21 more like how the leon3/smp/sparc_leon3.c is 2011-04-25T13:55:06 a lot of the bsp boot-up code is one function per file, so that shared functionality is easier to use 2011-04-25T14:00:55 * gedare starts taking notes 2011-04-25T14:07:35 ok.. there will be PRs for each BSP. 2011-04-25T14:07:57 the smp-imps.c was setup to insert your own OS code into the middle of it. I don't dispute there is clean up available 2011-04-25T14:08:35 I will try to get the rtems-schedsim CVS module into shape. I just hacked at it this morning. :-D 2011-04-25T14:27:10 sure. i'm taking notes and will send you and Jennifer my thoughts 2011-04-25T14:33:21 Thanks. We are really trying to do this all as much in the open and incrementally as possible. 2011-04-25T14:33:30 Are you going to do the SMP ARM work in your spare time? 2011-04-25T14:33:31 LOL 2011-04-25T14:38:48 no, but i might do a sparc64 2011-04-25T14:38:58 "spare time" :P 2011-04-25T14:39:42 projects appear to be announced and mentors assigned 2011-04-25T14:41:37 does bspsmp.h belong somewhere other than where it is located 2011-04-25T14:43:43 Good question! It might. Jennifer will be moving some code into score/rtems/smp.h. We realized that there were Score SMP stuff in there and it has to move. 2011-04-25T14:44:37 i'll include this question in my review 2011-04-25T14:44:42 i'm composing an e-mail for you two 2011-04-25T14:44:59 focusing on the supercore smp 2011-04-25T14:45:12 it is good to be submitting as pieces.. good that's the first piece to get submitted 2011-04-25T14:46:09 yeah, and better for me to be able to see it all integrated and maybe get some early reviews in 2011-04-25T15:35:37 *** peerst_ has joined #rtems 2011-04-25T15:35:45 hi 2011-04-25T15:40:35 in linkcmds files is it possible to have two SECTIONS {} blocks? 2011-04-25T15:41:32 I'm trying to add a empty section at a certain address in the applications linker cmds file (which includes linkcmds.base from the BSP) 2011-04-25T15:42:34 since the SECTIONS are defined in the included file I need to somehow define the extra section outside of the SECTIONS {} block of the included file 2011-04-25T16:04:48 peerst_: something like .name : AT ( ... ) { . += EmptySectionSize; } > dest 2011-04-25T16:05:18 yeah something like this 2011-04-25T16:05:40 hmmm 2011-04-25T16:05:42 just found out: there can be multiple SECTIONS {} blocks 2011-04-25T16:05:52 thats not the problem 2011-04-25T16:06:28 are the sections overlapping:? 2011-04-25T16:06:32 now only need to fiddle with the output section attributes 2011-04-25T16:06:38 ah 2011-04-25T16:06:39 no 2011-04-25T16:06:57 i only have a little linkcmds experience, mostly it is black magicky 2011-04-25T16:07:04 it was only syntactic 2011-04-25T16:07:08 i see 2011-04-25T16:07:16 linkcmds are 100% black magic 2011-04-25T16:07:38 thats what I want to do now: black magic 2011-04-25T16:08:29 trying to get an empty section that is filled at the location, then postproc the elf file and put a crc table in this empty section in the elf file 2011-04-25T16:08:59 crc table being a table of program segments in flash and their crcs 2011-04-25T16:09:07 for integrity checking 2011-04-25T16:09:43 ahhh 2011-04-25T16:10:25 crrently it looks like this: http://ideone.com/T6nHo 2011-04-25T16:11:13 but the segment containing .fingerprint is not flashed yet 2011-04-25T16:12:27 p_filesz: 0 is the problem ... need some stuffing in the elf file 2011-04-25T16:17:38 if I only specify the section fill it is not really filled in the file 2011-04-25T16:20:41 how to really put 256 bytes in the output elf? 2011-04-25T16:21:07 could write 64 times LONG(0) ... there must be a more elegant way 2011-04-25T16:21:33 try adding a variable at the end of the section, like: PROVIDE (fingerprint_end = .); 2011-04-25T16:21:46 that might force the linker to include the space, since your code can access the variable 2011-04-25T16:22:05 * gedare is sure there are "right" solutions to this problem 2011-04-25T16:23:55 didn't change anything, p_filesz is still 0 2011-04-25T16:23:59 hmm 2011-04-25T16:24:24 i have done something similar in setting up stack at the end of memory, although maybe it doesn't actually include the space in the elf.. 2011-04-25T16:25:36 hmm, now I have a "solution" doesnt feel "right" though 2011-04-25T16:25:47 i would just fill the space with padding. 2011-04-25T16:25:55 to get it working 2011-04-25T16:26:08 if I just add a LONG(0) at the beginning and then only the .=.+252 instead of 256 2011-04-25T16:26:28 then it fills the whole sectin 2011-04-25T16:26:37 tada, that's magic~! 2011-04-25T16:27:28 now it looks like this: http://ideone.com/OUSVL 2011-04-25T16:28:04 the linker seems to have a special case: no padding if there is nothing else in the section 2011-04-25T16:30:46 The linker can be magic 2011-04-25T16:30:47 http://blog.lydiapintscher.de/2011/04/25/not-accepted-into-gsoc-heres-what-to-do/ 2011-04-25T16:46:52 drjoel: I made my review for you, have fun ;) 2011-04-25T16:47:19 we should have some longer / public conversations about the design moving forward, and whether we can resolve the whole percpu / RTEMS_SIZEOF_VOID_P scandal. 2011-04-25T16:47:48 i made a few comments in my review about this... I was wondering if the percpu should just be part of the scheduler subsystem. I'm not sure yet what makes the most sense though. 2011-04-25T16:48:14 and also only defined for smp systems 2011-04-25T16:48:18 * gedare shurgs 2011-04-25T16:48:21 * gedare can't spell 2011-04-25T17:02:38 You need 1 copy of the per cpu information even on a single core system. 2011-04-25T17:03:01 sort of 2011-04-25T17:03:01 I don't know how to resolve the void_p issue. Chris seems to have an idea.. maybe he can sling us some code 2011-04-25T17:03:42 it doesn't have to be implemented as a structure or array on a single-core system.. the "old" approach should work, unless I'm missing something. 2011-04-25T17:03:46 *nod* 2011-04-25T17:04:36 It is just a single structure instance on a single core system. But could likely be simpler. Just want to avoid ifdef's 2011-04-25T17:05:53 is it better/worse to use ifdefs in source code or in makefile? 2011-04-25T17:06:40 both are bad.. but if you are leaving an entire file out or swapping implementations, I think makefile magic is neater for source. you have to have an encapsulated interface to swap out 2011-04-25T17:07:33 yeah. this needs further discourse I think. 2011-04-25T17:07:41 * gedare recalls that we DO have an rtems-smp mailing list :p 2011-04-25T17:07:50 back from when joel was creating mls left and right 2011-04-25T17:08:01 * gedare writes up a blog post about the gsoc 2011 rtems projects 2011-04-25T17:08:24 LOL 2011-04-25T17:08:56 thanks on gsoc list ... have news annoucement for site.. if you send link of blog to my gmail, I will include it in news 2011-04-25T17:09:08 We need to finalize mentor and co-mentor but I am honestly wiped today 2011-04-25T17:09:15 *** arvind_khadri has quit IRC 2011-04-25T17:09:21 i'm just listing the projects and a goal, without mentor/comentor 2011-04-25T17:11:31 ahh so not any more detail than my announcement. 2011-04-25T17:11:52 nope :P 2011-04-25T17:11:54 you can export the project info into csv.. be warned some project's have people names that are nicknames 2011-04-25T17:11:57 unless i decide to do so 2011-04-25T17:12:02 yeah i changed those 2011-04-25T17:12:32 actually, i might expand this further, I think I'll stop for now 2011-04-25T17:12:53 and finish up after dinner. 2011-04-25T17:12:54 Adios 2011-04-25T17:12:56 *** gedare has quit IRC 2011-04-25T17:13:33 *** dr__house has joined #rtems 2011-04-25T17:13:43 *** DrJoel has quit IRC 2011-04-25T17:17:23 *** arvind_khadri has joined #rtems 2011-04-25T18:24:14 *** lj8175 has joined #rtems 2011-04-25T18:27:58 *** dr__house has quit IRC 2011-04-25T18:54:14 *** lj8175 has quit IRC 2011-04-25T20:19:18 *** xiangfu has joined #rtems 2011-04-25T20:52:38 *** sqm has joined #rtems 2011-04-25T21:13:08 *** sqm has quit IRC 2011-04-25T21:13:18 *** sqm has joined 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