2010-08-09T01:01:08 *** alinrus has joined #rtems 2010-08-09T01:22:13 *** lekernel has joined #rtems 2010-08-09T01:29:54 *** exception13 has joined #rtems 2010-08-09T04:07:09 *** lekernel has quit IRC 2010-08-09T04:19:42 *** lekernel has joined #rtems 2010-08-09T04:24:00 *** sebhub has joined #rtems 2010-08-09T04:24:14 good morning 2010-08-09T04:51:25 *** lekernel has quit IRC 2010-08-09T06:14:16 *** methril_work has joined #rtems 2010-08-09T06:31:55 morning 2010-08-09T06:39:04 morning 2010-08-09T06:42:37 Hello 2010-08-09T06:44:56 hi kiwichris! 2010-08-09T06:45:38 kiwichris, did you read my e-mail to the bdm list? Any clue if they started some development? 2010-08-09T06:46:24 I just read some BDM list emails. What development are you referring to ? 2010-08-09T06:46:43 OSBDM suport 2010-08-09T06:47:14 I do not know. I have received bit and pieces and now I am not 100% sure where things are at. 2010-08-09T06:47:25 I hope things are moving along but I do not know. 2010-08-09T06:47:52 well, i'm going to work on this along the week, at work 2010-08-09T06:47:58 so i could make some progress 2010-08-09T06:48:22 Fantastic. Maybe make a post saying so and if someone is or has something they can share it 2010-08-09T06:49:00 do you think that is better to start working in io-layer branch (it has support for libusb-1.0) 2010-08-09T06:49:32 Ah ok so this the io-layer you said. 2010-08-09T06:49:43 I do not mind. It should all end up in the main line at some point. 2010-08-09T06:50:11 maybe my e-mail it's a little bit unclear 2010-08-09T06:59:47 *** lekernel has joined #rtems 2010-08-09T07:02:21 *** Guest61919 has joined #rtems 2010-08-09T07:11:21 *** cdcs has joined #rtems 2010-08-09T07:12:58 Hi kiwichris, 2010-08-09T07:13:03 hi 2010-08-09T07:13:16 i still need more time to check libbsdport 2010-08-09T07:13:28 Ok. Did it make any sense to you ? 2010-08-09T07:14:11 regarding uvm, bus_dma uses two functions 2010-08-09T07:15:27 uvm_km_alloc, that i think can be defined has a malloc 2010-08-09T07:15:39 What is uvm ? Sebastian maybe able to help. He has also played with these API for a USB port 2010-08-09T07:16:09 The UVM virtual memory system manages access to the computer's memory 2010-08-09T07:16:10 resources. 2010-08-09T07:16:28 *** Guest61919 has quit IRC 2010-08-09T07:16:31 http://netbsd.gw.com/cgi-bin/man-cgi?uvm++NetBSD-current 2010-08-09T07:16:42 We do not have a VM so we need to work around this. 2010-08-09T07:17:38 yes and i cannot include uvm headears files because they start to pull a lot of things 2010-08-09T07:17:54 That is correct you cannot do this. 2010-08-09T07:18:29 Is the bus_space in the libbspports suitable ? 2010-08-09T07:19:02 I have not looked at the DMA part at all. 2010-08-09T07:20:14 i haven't find it yet, i was "playing" with pmap. 2010-08-09T07:21:01 Ok. I need to off as it is getting late here. I suspect you will be finished when I get up 2010-08-09T07:21:39 ok i will try to check libbsdport and work around uvm 2010-08-09T07:22:08 Many thanks. This is tough part of this project. 2010-08-09T07:22:56 i will check back with you later. I doubt a lot that this part will be working without a lot of debbugging first. 2010-08-09T07:23:17 Ok. 2010-08-09T07:23:38 Check out http://wiki.rtems.org/wiki/index.php/MacOS_Tools_From_Source 2010-08-09T07:26:16 cdcs what do you want to do with all the bsd stuff? 2010-08-09T07:26:54 sebhub, the project is to get SATA drivers ported. We are down to bus_space and bus_dma. 2010-08-09T07:27:20 hm, from freebsd? 2010-08-09T07:27:25 bus_dma and bus_space are used by the low level controller drivers 2010-08-09T07:27:41 No netbsd, and I have not looked at the differences. 2010-08-09T07:28:01 NetBSD, but it should not be that different... 2010-08-09T07:28:22 cya 2010-08-09T07:28:27 bye 2010-08-09T07:28:29 *** kiwichris has quit IRC 2010-08-09T07:28:34 you may have a look at https://www.rtems.org/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=1601 2010-08-09T07:28:43 it contains a bus_space and bus_dma implementation 2010-08-09T07:30:12 Ok thanks. I will check it to see if it compatible 2010-08-09T07:31:59 kiwichris told me you were discussing this matters a few days ago. I read the log. 2010-08-09T07:32:56 how many inferfaces from netbsd did you implement so far? 2010-08-09T07:33:21 which bsp do you use for development? 2010-08-09T07:35:23 *** zwj has joined #rtems 2010-08-09T07:36:46 hi 2010-08-09T07:37:28 i am using pc586. I have mapped something like 7, some with simple dummies. 2010-08-09T07:37:44 kthread.h, pool. 2010-08-09T07:38:21 i am trying to left as musch as untouched netbsd code as possible 2010-08-09T07:38:37 without including all the netbsd kernel 2010-08-09T07:38:40 i ported the usb stack from freebsd 8 2010-08-09T07:39:28 bus_dma and bus_space are being more diffcult to port 2010-08-09T07:40:16 not difficult, but there are some issues 2010-08-09T07:41:08 hi 2010-08-09T07:41:44 it would be nice if you check the interface implementations of the usb stack port if they are stuitable for you 2010-08-09T07:42:47 but i guess that there are some differences in kthread between netbsd and freebsd 2010-08-09T07:43:14 yes. I will check your port it. I don't think that there will be many differences between NetBSD and FreeBSD 2010-08-09T07:43:17 sebhub: joel said that i can make the patch updated and put them to maillist for review. and my patches is made by git, is it ok? 2010-08-09T07:43:28 unfortunately we did not synchronize our efforts before 2010-08-09T07:43:42 zwj, yes this is ok 2010-08-09T07:44:02 i didn't knew of your port. I only knew about libbsdport 2010-08-09T07:44:46 yes, and i did not know that someone wants to port something else from bsd 2010-08-09T07:45:30 i should have said something on the list before 2010-08-09T07:46:04 i think i emailed the list. And there was a post in rtems news page 2010-08-09T07:47:46 i started with freebsd but i changed to netbsd. The freebsd disk driver seemed a lot messier. 2010-08-09T07:49:35 what do you mean with messier? 2010-08-09T07:50:15 the code seemed more confuse. The NetBSD one was clearer a more structured. 2010-08-09T07:50:48 supports netbsd multiple cores? 2010-08-09T07:50:54 smp machines 2010-08-09T07:53:09 not sure but i think not. I have not faced anything like that. 2010-08-09T07:53:16 *** DrJoel has joined #rtems 2010-08-09T07:53:16 *** ChanServ sets mode: +o DrJoel 2010-08-09T07:54:52 *** DrJoel changes topic to "GSOC 2010 is nearing "pencils down". Students will be submitting PRs with their code. Please help review." 2010-08-09T07:56:15 maybe this is the case of the cleaner netbsd code 2010-08-09T07:57:01 it is a big benefit that freebsd code can run on multiple cores, because this corresponds directly to the thread model of rtems 2010-08-09T07:57:18 the code seems old, becuase it uses somes directives that are being discontinued 2010-08-09T07:57:32 the driver is multithread, but it uses only kthread 2010-08-09T07:57:50 an which synchronization primitives? 2010-08-09T07:57:59 simple_lock 2010-08-09T07:58:10 and mutexes in some parts 2010-08-09T07:58:40 is it in ./dev/ata/ata-sata.c ? 2010-08-09T07:59:00 ata.c is main. 2010-08-09T07:59:27 so dev/ata/* ? 2010-08-09T07:59:40 yes, then we need the lower level controllers drivers. 2010-08-09T08:00:55 did you emulate bsd autoconf? 2010-08-09T08:02:22 the device(9) etc stuff? 2010-08-09T08:02:40 *** lekernel has quit IRC 2010-08-09T08:04:54 the stuff that probes the bus and t 2010-08-09T08:05:08 yes, i use also the modules concept 2010-08-09T08:05:16 identifies the controllers and devices and then calls the driver_probe and driver_attach 2010-08-09T08:05:25 *** alinrus has quit IRC 2010-08-09T08:05:33 yes, the normal device api 2010-08-09T08:05:59 i did not implement the resource api 2010-08-09T08:06:52 that will be usefull. Resource api? 2010-08-09T08:07:49 http://www.freebsd.org/cgi/man.cgi?query=rman&apropos=0&sektion=9&manpath=FreeBSD+8.1-RELEASE&format=html 2010-08-09T08:07:54 rman(9) 2010-08-09T08:08:48 i think that does not exist in NetBSD 2010-08-09T08:14:22 i think we should use the code from freebsd in general this is the most advance and actively developed variant 2010-08-09T08:20:17 *** madrazr has joined #rtems 2010-08-09T08:20:55 *** exception13 has left #rtems 2010-08-09T08:31:10 *** madrazr has quit IRC 2010-08-09T08:49:24 *** cdcs has quit IRC 2010-08-09T09:04:19 *** antgreen has joined #rtems 2010-08-09T09:24:36 *** bubaflub has joined #rtems 2010-08-09T10:35:46 *** dr__house has joined #rtems 2010-08-09T10:39:01 in call like e.g. rtems_event_receive where a pointer to a place for results like event_out is passed, if one isnt interested in the result, is it always possible to pass NULL oder are dummy arguments needed? 2010-08-09T10:41:33 peerst: no.. in general, that should return invalid address 2010-08-09T10:42:18 so I always need pointers to dummy results for these? 2010-08-09T10:44:07 yep 2010-08-09T10:46:26 *** sebhub has quit IRC 2010-08-09T10:58:16 *** exception13 has joined #rtems 2010-08-09T11:01:14 DrJoel: thanks .... just discovered it in the doc ... those who can RTFM are in the advantage ;-) 2010-08-09T11:03:44 I am just glad the manual had it. :) 2010-08-09T11:41:55 hello 2010-08-09T11:42:08 can i run rtems with 2Kbytes of memory? 2010-08-09T11:42:20 or what is the minimun? 2010-08-09T11:43:31 kristianpaul: that's a bit low. on the thumb call it 16K code, a couple of ram 2010-08-09T11:44:13 DrJoel: so 16Kbytes are the recommended for minimun? 2010-08-09T11:52:40 It is a moving target down and depends on the CPU targeted. But as a good working number, that's OK. 2010-08-09T11:53:03 Once merged, one of the GSOC projects will drop that. 2010-08-09T11:54:07 And I have an idea that may drop another 1K. The student's work dropped about 12% from the SPARC minimum 2010-08-09T12:04:56 *** bubaflub has quit IRC 2010-08-09T12:06:54 good 2010-08-09T12:07:14 It is a lm32 cpu 2010-08-09T12:07:35 actually is a fork of the Milkymsit project intended for an avnet board 2010-08-09T12:07:52 wich have no sdram just sram implented in FPGA 2010-08-09T12:12:33 how much flash? 2010-08-09T12:13:00 2K ram is mighty small .. you will have to start with the minimum example and push to have space for app 2010-08-09T12:18:27 2kB of sram 2010-08-09T12:18:45 maybe there could be a way to increase the sram amount 2010-08-09T12:19:01 and code space? Flash? 2010-08-09T12:19:09 maybe an external ram iface 2010-08-09T12:19:11 did you try increasing bram address size kristianpaul ? 2010-08-09T12:19:30 not yet 2010-08-09T12:19:34 code is in flash yes DrJoel 2010-08-09T12:20:34 and i'm looking an external ram too :) 2010-08-09T12:20:52 Fallenou: how much on his board was the question? 2010-08-09T12:21:33 hum i have the same board ... dont remember 2010-08-09T12:21:53 a few MB 2010-08-09T12:22:00 16 or 32 2010-08-09T12:23:20 kristianpaul: hi, my project will be useful for you 2010-08-09T12:24:22 now i have just send a mail to user-list, if you are interested in it, you can look it 2010-08-09T12:24:23 zwj: hello 2010-08-09T12:24:38 oh i'm not in user list 2010-08-09T12:24:42 is in pulbic too? 2010-08-09T12:24:47 s/in/it 2010-08-09T12:24:58 https://www.rtems.org/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=1593 2010-08-09T12:25:05 Fallenou: 32 i think 2010-08-09T12:25:12 http://www.rtems.com/wiki/index.php/RTEMSSequencedInitialization 2010-08-09T12:26:11 kristianpaul: very .. our archives go back to 1997 and list was around before that.. but logs lost in disk crash :( 2010-08-09T12:26:12 list is public yes 2010-08-09T12:27:17 yeah, if you have any question you can email to me , 157724595@163.com 2010-08-09T12:27:25 now i have to leave 2010-08-09T12:27:29 good night 2010-08-09T12:27:32 ok thanks for helping 2010-08-09T12:28:00 32 Mb parallel NOR flash DrJoel 2010-08-09T12:28:11 *** zwj has quit IRC 2010-08-09T12:28:44 *** bubaflub_ has joined #rtems 2010-08-09T12:29:00 and 128 Mb of SPI serial flash but its used to store the bitstream usually 2010-08-09T12:35:34 *** tuxmaniac has joined #rtems 2010-08-09T12:37:36 Fallenou: that's plenty for code.. the RAM will have to be watched. :) 2010-08-09T12:37:49 nice challenge.. definitely too small for Linux 2010-08-09T12:38:09 hum yes :p 2010-08-09T12:38:17 that would be great to run the hello ! 2010-08-09T12:38:25 but it does not even link at the moment 2010-08-09T12:38:30 i didn't check the linker script 2010-08-09T12:38:41 btw kristianpaul don't forget to change the clock frequency in system_conf.h 2010-08-09T12:38:53 for avnet port it's 16*4 MHz :) 2010-08-09T12:39:29 Heya gang 2010-08-09T12:39:41 DrJoel: seen alinrus around for recently? 2010-08-09T12:40:04 Fallenou: ahh true :) 2010-08-09T12:40:19 you dint remenber that yday 2010-08-09T12:40:33 i wonder what you will tomorrow ;) 2010-08-09T12:40:38 =) 2010-08-09T12:41:07 i let you some work to do he ! 2010-08-09T12:41:18 :) 2010-08-09T12:41:39 yeah rtems is so new for me but is great learn :) 2010-08-09T12:41:55 DrJoel: about set_vector for milkymist bsp, i don't know about the simple interrupt stuff, but i know that i need set_vector indeed, i used it for network driver for example 2010-08-09T12:42:31 DrJoel: it seems i need to add the prototype in the .c that use it like "external ..." 2010-08-09T12:42:47 kristianpaul: for me too actually ;) 2010-08-09T12:49:20 kristianpaul: you should fork the rtems-milkymist github repo into your account and push your modifications 2010-08-09T12:49:31 so that i can check what you've changed and how 2010-08-09T12:56:30 tuxmaniac: I think he was on earlier in the morning 2010-08-09T12:56:48 ok. I am reviewing his code. Will post the comments 2010-08-09T12:57:10 Fallenou: good idea :) 2010-08-09T12:57:13 Fallenou: Simple Vectored is in contrast to PIC model used by x86 and PowerPC which effectively have very few external interrupts 2010-08-09T12:57:24 * tuxmaniac is going to ping him and check up the working and testing part as well 2010-08-09T12:57:24 Fallenou: i'll do same for milkymist-avnet :) 2010-08-09T13:01:33 *** exception13 has left #rtems 2010-08-09T13:01:36 *** exception13 has joined #rtems 2010-08-09T13:02:23 DrJoel: ah yes, a few real interrupts and an interrupt controller 2010-08-09T13:02:33 is that it ? 2010-08-09T13:02:54 so yes it's Simple Vectored interrupts 2010-08-09T13:03:08 kristianpaul: ok very good :) 2010-08-09T13:04:15 DrJoel: removing some warnings i found that usually set_vector returns an rtems_isr_entry 2010-08-09T13:04:22 but for lm32 and m68k the prototype is different 2010-08-09T13:04:29 it's lm32_isr_entry and m68k_isr_entry 2010-08-09T13:04:32 do you know why ? 2010-08-09T13:07:22 DrJoel: i had to do things like that : http://github.com/fallen/rtems-milkymist/commit/447daa4515337dee8819960d193a5fe9868e35fc do you find this acceptable ? 2010-08-09T13:42:58 *** madrazr has joined #rtems 2010-08-09T13:48:04 *** tuxmaniac has quit IRC 2010-08-09T13:54:09 Can you use rtems_isr_entry for lm32? Is it different? 2010-08-09T14:00:13 i don't know 2010-08-09T14:07:40 *** dr__house has quit IRC 2010-08-09T15:01:24 *** lekernel has joined #rtems 2010-08-09T15:06:24 *** madrazr has quit IRC 2010-08-09T16:19:50 *** exception13 has left #rtems 2010-08-09T16:47:34 *** kiwichris has joined #rtems 2010-08-09T16:48:05 Morning 2010-08-09T16:48:37 hey.. how's life? 2010-08-09T16:49:24 Not bad. It is early and all kids are already off at school 2010-08-09T16:51:56 :) raining here.. Justin's first day as a junior in high school.. brought home shopping list.. needs the classic "TI84"... 2010-08-09T16:52:39 Nice. 2010-08-09T16:53:24 I have created an rtems-tools module in cvs 2010-08-09T16:53:44 I saw.. :D 2010-08-09T16:54:09 did you see my udpates to check_bsp? It is starting to actually be useful at evaluating a new bsp (or things to fix in an existing one) 2010-08-09T16:54:29 No. I have not looked. 2010-08-09T16:55:07 It is crude but did manage to catch a number of things on the milkymist 2010-08-09T16:56:39 When did the change go in ? 2010-08-09T16:57:33 over the weekend.. I was reviewing code madly.. ' 2010-08-09T16:58:02 I must has missed it yesterday. I was busy getting the spec builder code in 2010-08-09T16:58:45 understandable.. :) 2010-08-09T17:30:06 *** DrJoel has quit IRC 2010-08-09T17:42:58 *** bubaflub_ has quit IRC 2010-08-09T18:00:14 *** krzabr has joined #rtems 2010-08-09T18:04:49 *** methril_ has joined #rtems 2010-08-09T18:04:58 *** methril has quit IRC 2010-08-09T19:05:07 *** krzabr has quit IRC 2010-08-09T22:15:00 *** antgreen has quit IRC 2010-08-10T00:03:41 *** madrazr has joined #rtems 2010-08-10T01:01:29 *** madrazr1 has joined #rtems 2010-08-10T01:01:59 *** madrazr has quit IRC 2010-08-10T01:05:42 *** madrazr has joined #rtems 2010-08-10T01:06:20 *** madrazr1 has quit IRC 2010-08-10T01:17:31 *** madrazr1 has joined #rtems 2010-08-10T01:19:38 *** madrazr has quit IRC 2010-08-10T01:23:45 methril_work, are you about ? 2010-08-10T02:02:00 *** sebhub has joined #rtems 2010-08-10T02:02:25 good morning 2010-08-10T02:10:16 *** madrazr1 has quit IRC 2010-08-10T03:44:04 *** madrazr has joined #rtems 2010-08-10T04:32:46 *** 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Guest70612 2010-08-11T08:25:47 *** madrazr has quit IRC 2010-08-11T08:48:24 *** krzabr has joined #rtems 2010-08-11T08:49:48 hello 2010-08-11T08:50:08 where can find build instructions for rtems 2010-08-11T08:50:59 i want try compile it under clang :0 2010-08-11T08:55:15 *** bubaflub has joined #rtems 2010-08-11T08:56:47 is clang supported by autoconf? 2010-08-11T08:57:02 probably yes 2010-08-11T08:57:07 you should first try to build it with the standard tool chain 2010-08-11T08:57:22 if you can do this you may switch the compiler, but this will be hard work 2010-08-11T08:57:29 ok , which tools are in std toolchain ? 2010-08-11T08:57:42 which os do you use? 2010-08-11T08:57:51 freebsd 8.1 2010-08-11T08:57:56 gcc is the standard compiler 2010-08-11T08:58:17 i can upgrate it on 9 2010-08-11T08:58:25 in 9 clang is major compiler 2010-08-11T08:58:35 upgrade * 2010-08-11T08:59:00 ok which tools are in standard rtems toolschain 2010-08-11T08:59:33 you are completely new to rtems? 2010-08-11T08:59:41 yes 2010-08-11T09:00:27 unfortunatly i have no experience with freebsd as host os, on rpm based linux distributions it is a matter of seconds to install rtems 2010-08-11T09:00:48 in past i've lanched vbox and qemu image with this os 2010-08-11T09:00:58 you may have a look at this: http://rtems.org/wiki/index.php/FreeBSD_Ports 2010-08-11T09:01:09 or ask on the mailing list for freebsd installations 2010-08-11T09:01:21 good idea 2010-08-11T09:02:14 clang have support od x64 , arm and probably x86 2010-08-11T09:03:14 clang is interesting but i am sure that it will not work out of the box with rtems 2010-08-11T09:03:46 clang is really realiable developed 2010-08-11T09:03:58 lately it has compiled boost 2010-08-11T09:04:22 without modifications 2010-08-11T09:04:52 yes, but boost is not rtems 2010-08-11T09:05:16 why do you want to use clang? 2010-08-11T09:06:11 because it's modular , new and have a liberal license 2010-08-11T09:07:03 ok, so you like do to some pioneering work 2010-08-11T09:07:49 maybe , i'm interesting of oslearning and developing in future 2010-08-11T09:08:37 for this rtems is a great system, the kernel is very well structured and easy to understand 2010-08-11T09:08:39 In this moment i'm learing ada language and microkernels architecture 2010-08-11T09:08:51 rtems is not a micro kernel 2010-08-11T09:08:59 mono ? 2010-08-11T09:09:12 we have only one address space 2010-08-11T09:09:48 so it's true rt kernel :) 2010-08-11T09:10:21 a micro kernel requires a kernel to user space boudnary 2010-08-11T09:11:05 like minix 2010-08-11T09:11:19 where every tools are switched to userspace 2010-08-11T09:11:34 yes, this is an example 2010-08-11T09:14:20 *** zwj has joined #rtems 2010-08-11T09:16:36 hi 2010-08-11T09:20:47 x window system can run under rtems ? 2010-08-11T09:21:10 where did you read this? 2010-08-11T09:22:00 nowhere 2010-08-11T09:22:15 but rtems is posix system 2010-08-11T09:22:47 i don't know the requirements of the x window system 2010-08-11T09:22:55 but i would not use it with rtems 2010-08-11T09:23:24 so it should be possible to run if rtems have graphic driver 2010-08-11T09:23:58 maybe, but way do you need a real time kernel and an x window system? 2010-08-11T09:24:55 why not 2010-08-11T09:25:24 i've used linux with rtkernel and it's work very well 2010-08-11T09:26:03 sebhub:hi 2010-08-11T09:26:51 i have post the mail to user list, but i seems that there is no response for the sysinit patches 2010-08-11T09:27:02 yes, this is a bit unfortunate 2010-08-11T09:27:21 maybe this is to deep in the internals of rtems 2010-08-11T09:27:39 normal users are not that interested in it 2010-08-11T09:28:12 yeah, but is there a list for the internals of rtems? 2010-08-11T09:28:27 no 2010-08-11T09:28:35 we have only this list 2010-08-11T09:28:46 ok :) next time i will ask for more questons :) 2010-08-11T09:28:58 but now i have to go shopping 2010-08-11T09:29:01 cu 2010-08-11T09:29:23 have you done some research about the system events? 2010-08-11T09:29:47 yeah, i look some source code of other rtos 2010-08-11T09:29:52 *** krzabr has quit IRC 2010-08-11T09:30:08 good 2010-08-11T09:30:21 but their implements is different from rtems 2010-08-11T09:31:19 rtems's event is related with task, other's event implement is a indepdent object 2010-08-11T09:32:29 yes, i think this independent object is the thing you should provide 2010-08-11T09:32:36 so, add a system event api in rtems is little tips 2010-08-11T09:33:59 but in the chris' mail he said rtems event is high performance because of its lack of indenpend object 2010-08-11T09:34:30 yes, this is why the current event system should remain as it is 2010-08-11T09:36:10 so i think based on chris' idea adding a system event api is like a copy of classic event api 2010-08-11T09:39:05 it is an extension, you are able to use more than 32 events and you create also different scopes 2010-08-11T09:39:30 so now i should understand the concept of event domain, but chris is not on line and the mail is no response 2010-08-11T09:40:05 maybe he is on holiday this week 2010-08-11T09:43:11 yeah, i will continue to look into the code and understand the chris' idea 2010-08-11T09:43:23 hope he will come back soon 2010-08-11T09:44:32 you should first try to understand how the normal event system work, which resources it uses, where they are stored, how the wait queue and wake-up mechanism works 2010-08-11T09:46:40 ok, now i am doing this work, i know the frame of its implement, and need understand more details 2010-08-11T09:47:49 the wait meanism is tricky 2010-08-11T09:55:31 yeah, the_thread->Wait is its main field associated with event. but i will know more clear about the state of thread blocked 2010-08-11T10:28:44 sebhub:PR1593, you mean that make sysinit section a file to include, this file just include the /* 2010-08-11T10:28:44 * Special RTEMS Kernel constructor sections. 2010-08-11T10:28:45 */ 2010-08-11T10:28:45 . = ALIGN (16); 2010-08-11T10:28:45 _Sysinit_Entry_set_begin = .; 2010-08-11T10:28:45 *(SORT(.score.sysinit.*)) 2010-08-11T10:28:45 _Sysinit_Entry_set_end = .; 2010-08-11T10:30:13 the bsp linkcmds simply include a general purpose linkcmds file which contains the above content (and more) 2010-08-11T10:30:53 with this approach we can later change a single file if we need 2010-08-11T10:32:51 yeah, good idea. i change it ,test and update it 2010-08-11T10:34:39 you can name this file "linkcmds_rtems_rodata" because it will be included in the .rodata section 2010-08-11T10:39:30 *** groleo has quit IRC 2010-08-11T10:49:04 *** lekernel has quit IRC 2010-08-11T11:06:31 ok, byb,i have to go 2010-08-11T11:06:45 cu 2010-08-11T11:07:00 *** zwj has quit IRC 2010-08-11T11:20:50 *** sebhub has quit IRC 2010-08-11T11:30:11 *** exception13 has joined #rtems 2010-08-11T11:45:00 *** antgreen has joined #rtems 2010-08-11T12:46:44 *** methril_work has quit IRC 2010-08-11T12:47:22 *** methril_work has joined #rtems 2010-08-11T13:26:31 *** 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i had not time to review the scheduler stuff 2010-08-13T06:57:06 I have primarily focused on 4 students -- Go, Coverage, Gedare's, and Milkymist... trying to put time into Alin's Aio/Lio 2010-08-13T06:58:18 i plan to commit the media manager used by the usb stack today 2010-08-13T06:58:26 The scheduler stuff is important because it provides a framework for RTEMS supporting alternative schedulers. This is important for Tiny/RTEMS (simple list), SMP (variety of algoritms that are SMP aware), and for other RT sched's like EDF 2010-08-13T06:58:45 And Gedare implemented EDF for RTEMS at one point so he knows that one 2010-08-13T06:59:04 what's the media manager's role 2010-08-13T06:59:17 it manages the life time of removable media 2010-08-13T06:59:31 ahhh.. that would be quite important :-D 2010-08-13T06:59:36 you plug an usb stack into the system, and now??? 2010-08-13T06:59:41 you need to do something 2010-08-13T07:00:40 well time for me to start getting ready to take Justin to school and head to work.. see you from the office 2010-08-13T07:00:43 *** DrJoel has quit IRC 2010-08-13T07:02:57 *** madrazr has quit IRC 2010-08-13T07:03:08 *** madrazr has joined #rtems 2010-08-13T07:05:26 *** madrazr has quit IRC 2010-08-13T07:05:30 *** madrazr has joined #rtems 2010-08-13T07:22:08 sebhub, btw is there support for USB input devices already (mouse and keyboard)? 2010-08-13T07:23:04 I used the mouse driver for debugging, but it has no practical use 2010-08-13T07:23:34 you need a rtems counter part for these devices 2010-08-13T07:31:19 hm? 2010-08-13T07:31:39 you mean there's no input device framework whatsoever? 2010-08-13T07:32:48 you may map the keyboard to a termios driver, but for I mouse i see not rtems counter part 2010-08-13T07:37:11 *** kiwichris has quit IRC 2010-08-13T08:00:40 *** _Lucretia_ has quit IRC 2010-08-13T08:10:30 *** madrazr has quit IRC 2010-08-13T08:11:48 *** madrazr has joined #rtems 2010-08-13T08:51:31 *** bubaflub has joined #rtems 2010-08-13T09:12:40 *** Guest77111 has joined #rtems 2010-08-13T09:52:47 *** madrazr has quit IRC 2010-08-13T09:53:14 *** madrazr has joined #rtems 2010-08-13T09:53:50 *** gedare has joined #rtems 2010-08-13T10:10:10 *** madrazr has quit IRC 2010-08-13T10:10:48 *** madrazr has joined #rtems 2010-08-13T10:21:53 HID development was not a gcode? 2010-08-13T10:21:58 or is? 2010-08-13T10:22:14 s/gcode/gsoc 2010-08-13T10:22:56 what is hid? 2010-08-13T10:23:02 good question :p 2010-08-13T10:23:56 i just was reading this http://www.rtems.com/wiki/index.php/USBStack at the bottom 2010-08-13T10:24:46 i don't think anyone undertook USB stuff as a gsoc. 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