2010-07-26T01:40:42 *** peerst has joined #rtems 2010-07-26T01:41:05 good morning 2010-07-26T01:52:55 *** madrazr has joined #rtems 2010-07-26T01:54:52 *** sebhub has joined #rtems 2010-07-26T01:55:09 good morning 2010-07-26T02:37:42 *** projectgus has quit IRC 2010-07-26T04:02:13 *** exception13 has joined #rtems 2010-07-26T04:28:06 *** madrazr has joined #rtems 2010-07-26T04:28:17 *** tuxmaniac has joined #rtems 2010-07-26T04:28:51 *** madrazr has quit IRC 2010-07-26T05:32:29 *** tuxmaniac has quit IRC 2010-07-26T06:57:26 *** DrJoel has quit IRC 2010-07-26T07:25:17 *** tuxmaniac has joined #rtems 2010-07-26T07:35:00 *** madrazr has joined #rtems 2010-07-26T08:10:21 *** madrazr has quit IRC 2010-07-26T08:11:12 *** zwj has joined #rtems 2010-07-26T08:15:34 hi 2010-07-26T08:18:54 sebhub:hi 2010-07-26T08:20:41 now the patch for the sysinit is ok, about the no-*.c should i make a PR for it? 2010-07-26T08:21:43 for me it is ok to use only one PR 2010-07-26T08:22:09 ok, i just revecied you mail. now looking at it 2010-07-26T08:23:41 *** DrJoel has joined #rtems 2010-07-26T08:23:41 *** ChanServ sets mode: +o DrJoel 2010-07-26T08:23:52 hi joel 2010-07-26T08:24:23 sebhub: hello 2010-07-26T08:24:40 DrJoel:hi 2010-07-26T08:24:40 can you please have a look at: https://www.rtems.org/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=1593 2010-07-26T08:25:03 i plan to commit the sysinit api patch, it should have no impact on existing bsps 2010-07-26T08:25:06 It is on the list for today. I hope to get to it 2010-07-26T08:25:15 but it is the first step 2010-07-26T08:25:39 ok, thanks 2010-07-26T08:25:48 did you see my email asking for info on projects, reasons for pickign RTEMS etc. I am trying to put together a new "marketing" set of slides for RTEMS 2010-07-26T08:26:24 I know it is important to review this. The GSOC students need fast feedback. 2010-07-26T08:26:39 yes, i think Thomas is more experienced to answer such questions 2010-07-26T08:27:06 *** exception13 has left #rtems 2010-07-26T08:27:39 if it isn't too much trouble for him, please pass along the request. I am planning on doing this presentation and following up with a "vision" presentation on where I think we need to pay attention over the next few years 2010-07-26T08:28:07 I think that as I find out why people pick RTEMS, I will also find out why people don't pick RTEMS and we can see what we can do about that 2010-07-26T08:28:32 *** Raj_ has joined #rtems 2010-07-26T08:28:46 in general to do this sounds very useful 2010-07-26T08:29:49 in particular it is interesting to highlight the differences between rtlinux, rtems and linux with rt supervisor 2010-07-26T08:30:28 or uclinux 2010-07-26T08:30:56 I think so.. many things "just happen" .. bsps, etc.. but some require identifying big picture issues we want to address... one on my list is a "test plan". We do a lot of testing but I don't think we really have an overarching vision. 2010-07-26T08:31:18 I have a report that compares RTEMS, VxWorks, Nucleus, uCOS II, and ThreadX. 2010-07-26T08:32:27 yes, and we don't have a test framework 2010-07-26T08:34:49 *** Raj_ has quit IRC 2010-07-26T08:36:30 *** Raj_ has joined #rtems 2010-07-26T08:43:12 right.. 2010-07-26T08:43:28 * DrJoel waves bye for now.. need to go pick up used college text for one of the kids 2010-07-26T08:43:30 *** DrJoel has quit IRC 2010-07-26T08:46:53 *** bubaflub has joined #rtems 2010-07-26T08:49:30 *** Raj_ has quit IRC 2010-07-26T08:59:45 *** gedare has joined #rtems 2010-07-26T09:35:48 *** madrazr has joined #rtems 2010-07-26T09:49:02 *** sebhub has quit IRC 2010-07-26T09:57:31 *** kuzew has quit IRC 2010-07-26T09:59:11 *** kuzew_ has joined #rtems 2010-07-26T10:00:28 *** kuzew_ is now known as kuzew 2010-07-26T10:16:41 *** bubaflub has quit IRC 2010-07-26T10:16:50 *** bubaflub has joined #rtems 2010-07-26T10:19:39 *** madrazr has quit IRC 2010-07-26T10:20:31 *** madrazr has joined #rtems 2010-07-26T10:22:30 *** exception13 has joined #rtems 2010-07-26T10:43:00 *** madrazr has quit IRC 2010-07-26T11:31:59 *** gedare has quit IRC 2010-07-26T11:55:39 *** madrazr has joined #rtems 2010-07-26T11:56:31 *** madrazr has joined #rtems 2010-07-26T11:57:22 *** zwj has quit IRC 2010-07-26T12:18:41 *** madrazr has quit IRC 2010-07-26T12:18:42 *** madrazr1 has joined #rtems 2010-07-26T12:20:41 *** tuxmaniac has quit IRC 2010-07-26T12:24:38 *** madrazr1 is now known as madrazr 2010-07-26T12:24:43 *** madrazr has joined #rtems 2010-07-26T13:35:34 *** gedare has joined #rtems 2010-07-26T13:44:22 *** madrazr has quit IRC 2010-07-26T14:01:13 *** bubaflub has quit IRC 2010-07-26T14:02:34 *** Raj_ has joined #rtems 2010-07-26T14:07:38 *** bubaflub has joined #rtems 2010-07-26T14:49:13 *** julien__1 has joined #rtems 2010-07-26T14:49:35 hi everybody 2010-07-26T14:49:44 has anyone tested the nds bsp ? 2010-07-26T15:21:37 not me sorry, but i read a little bit about it (in a french magazine about linux and embedded systems) 2010-07-26T15:27:21 yes 2010-07-26T15:27:30 I'm the guy who initiated the project :P 2010-07-26T15:27:41 it was a project for my former students 2010-07-26T15:29:28 oh great :) 2010-07-26T15:36:23 julien__1: did you manage to get telnetd working in nds ? 2010-07-26T15:36:39 i've seen it working in picture in the magazine 2010-07-26T15:36:50 but the source code hasn't been published 2010-07-26T15:37:10 the fact is 2010-07-26T15:37:16 I just build the nds port today 2010-07-26T15:37:21 and it seems to be broken 2010-07-26T15:37:30 so, I am wondering what was going on 2010-07-26T15:39:29 look at the cvs log maybe 2010-07-26T15:40:02 did you ever built the one from the source tree ? or you probably ever build the one from your working copy 2010-07-26T15:41:00 I did a checkout of the last HEAD CVS 2010-07-26T15:42:07 check the logs you will see the last commits that may have been applied and broke the port 2010-07-26T15:45:49 yes, but the question is 2010-07-26T15:45:54 since when it is broken ? 2010-07-26T15:47:00 dunno maybe there has been very few commits and so it could be easy to see what broke the whole port 2010-07-26T15:47:16 i cannot test since i don't have any nds :p 2010-07-26T15:47:24 i would appreciate one btw ;) 2010-07-26T15:49:16 :P 2010-07-26T15:49:41 *** Raj_ has quit IRC 2010-07-26T15:55:50 i'm sorry i cannot be more helpfull 2010-07-26T15:56:01 julien__1: maybe send a mail on the list :) 2010-07-26T15:57:30 I will see 2010-07-26T15:57:36 I just test with an emulator 2010-07-26T15:57:38 (desmume) 2010-07-26T15:57:45 I will try with my console soon 2010-07-26T15:57:47 but now 2010-07-26T15:57:49 I have to sleep 2010-07-26T15:57:53 see you later 2010-07-26T15:57:53 ++ 2010-07-26T15:57:55 *** julien__1 has quit IRC 2010-07-26T16:01:30 *** bubaflub has quit IRC 2010-07-26T16:08:59 *** exception13 has left #rtems 2010-07-26T16:09:15 *** gedare has quit IRC 2010-07-26T16:34:50 *** lekernel has quit IRC 2010-07-26T16:35:08 *** lekernel has joined #rtems 2010-07-26T17:11:50 *** gedare has joined #rtems 2010-07-26T17:13:06 *** gedare has quit IRC 2010-07-26T17:18:59 *** kuzew has quit IRC 2010-07-26T17:35:42 *** projectgus has joined #rtems 2010-07-26T18:17:24 *** kuzew has joined #rtems 2010-07-26T18:31:18 *** Alison_Chaiken has joined #rtems 2010-07-26T18:32:51 *** Alison_Chaiken has quit IRC 2010-07-26T18:33:03 *** Alison_Chaiken has joined #rtems 2010-07-26T18:33:11 *** kuzew has quit IRC 2010-07-26T18:45:43 *** kuzew has joined #rtems 2010-07-26T18:59:05 *** kuzew has quit IRC 2010-07-26T19:32:34 *** kuzew has joined #rtems 2010-07-26T19:42:27 *** projectgus has quit IRC 2010-07-26T19:44:01 *** projectgus has joined #rtems 2010-07-26T19:45:51 *** DrJoel has joined #rtems 2010-07-26T19:45:51 *** ChanServ sets mode: +o DrJoel 2010-07-26T19:53:48 hi Alison_Chaiken I don't know that I have seen you on here before .. how are things going at SLAC? 2010-07-26T19:55:27 SLAC is using lots of RTEMS and will be adding more. I've been learning to debug rtems under gdb and ddd, but the system clock just failed on the HW on which the app kept crashing, so maybe it's not my fault?! 2010-07-26T19:55:59 ouch.. battery backed ram clock or something like NTP? 2010-07-26T19:56:36 I visited SLAC last fall. Nothing like "SLAC Security" for irony 2010-07-26T19:57:39 The local oscillator just failed on an RF waveform calibrator. I had a mysterious somewhat irreproducible crash in a loop that had interrupts disabled, so it was hard to see what was going on. If clock was flaky, I guess that could be the problem. 2010-07-26T19:57:54 As a former Livermoron, I am grateful for SLAC security. 2010-07-26T19:58:11 LOL.. that's a new name on me 2010-07-26T19:58:49 software failures are very hard to track down when they are a side-effect of hardware issues... flaky power is high on my list of hated things 2010-07-26T19:59:39 I was going to try a malloc_dump() right before the scary loop ran. Any better Hail Mary ideas? Co-worker said, "Easier to make it go away probably than to understand it." ! 2010-07-26T20:00:18 You all run with big task stacks probably so not really. Hope for it to show something. 2010-07-26T20:01:01 FWIW I have a nice idea about adding "checksummed fences" and tracking of who allocated the block to the heap if someone ever gets desperate enough to pay me to implement it. 2010-07-26T20:05:20 *** DrJoel has quit IRC 2010-07-26T20:16:40 *** Alison_Chaiken has quit IRC 2010-07-26T21:15:33 *** DrJoel has joined #rtems 2010-07-26T21:15:33 *** ChanServ sets mode: +o DrJoel 2010-07-26T21:20:27 *** DrJoel has quit IRC 2010-07-26T23:03:46 *** methril has quit IRC 2010-07-26T23:03:48 *** lekernel has quit IRC 2010-07-26T23:03:50 *** projectgus has quit IRC 2010-07-26T23:03:50 *** _Lucretia_ has quit IRC 2010-07-26T23:03:51 *** Fallenou has quit IRC 2010-07-26T23:03:53 *** mwalle has quit IRC 2010-07-26T23:05:26 *** projectgus has joined #rtems 2010-07-26T23:05:26 *** lekernel has joined #rtems 2010-07-26T23:05:26 *** methril has joined #rtems 2010-07-26T23:05:26 *** _Lucretia_ has joined #rtems 2010-07-26T23:05:26 *** Fallenou has joined 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Two students and I were hacking fast. 2010-07-27T17:59:25 Just hack on the spec builder. I think I will call speculater 2010-07-27T17:59:30 Coverage on erc32 is up and no issues so probably ok. 2010-07-27T17:59:44 I have not looked at the builder and I need to. 2010-07-27T18:00:03 have you looked at Drupal polls? I set up a couple but wonder if someone has to have a user account to actually take the poll. That would suck for us. :( 2010-07-27T18:00:20 Did you think about a format for the spec file info you need for the doco ? 2010-07-27T18:00:28 No I have not looked at the polls. 2010-07-27T18:01:57 I cannot see a way to run a poll 2010-07-27T18:02:28 doc/started/Makefile.am generates tversion.texi from 2010-07-27T18:02:30 tversions.texi: tversions.texi.in tversions.sed 2010-07-27T18:02:30 sed -f tversions.sed $(srcdir)/tversions.texi.in > tversions.texi 2010-07-27T18:02:54 tversions.sed is from configure.ac 2010-07-27T18:03:17 complicated 2010-07-27T18:03:19 Is this where you want all the current versions of the tools and patches to go ? 2010-07-27T18:03:42 however it flows from autoconf down.. I used to understand this but Ralf has autoconf'ed it :-D 2010-07-27T18:04:14 polls is a menu at the top now but I can't figure out how to let people take them .. you can see the results LOL 2010-07-27T18:04:49 My only issue with a poll is a possible distortion of facts. 2010-07-27T18:05:07 If only 2 people complete the poll does that mean this is the real picture ? 2010-07-27T18:05:11 agreed.. but we have 0 insight now.. so it is a trade 2010-07-27T18:05:32 no.. if we don't get a fairly large (where large is unknown to me), then it is meaningless. 2010-07-27T18:05:44 But if we don't try, we get nothing. 2010-07-27T18:05:49 Agreed 2010-07-27T18:06:07 We can always turn it off if the data is useless. It is "market research" and it is all I can think of to do 2010-07-27T18:06:08 Looks like you have found a new part of the css I had not changed :) 2010-07-27T18:06:22 the blue bars? 2010-07-27T18:06:26 yesh 2010-07-27T18:06:27 yeah 2010-07-27T18:07:02 I made a couple of obvious type polls to figure out how they work (education and experience with RTEMS) but cant make them work 2010-07-27T18:07:48 So where does the @GCCVERSION@ value get subed from ? 2010-07-27T18:08:51 That's where my understanding of the current scheme falls down. There is a broken link in the chain from crossrpms to here 2010-07-27T18:09:04 Ah it is in setup.def 2010-07-27T18:09:20 That should be ok to generate. 2010-07-27T18:10:25 running on.. have chores LOL 2010-07-27T18:10:35 *** bubaflub has joined #rtems 2010-07-27T18:10:43 DrJoel, cya 2010-07-27T18:47:04 *** _Lucretia_ has quit IRC 2010-07-27T18:59:40 *** _Lucretia_ has joined #rtems 2010-07-27T19:09:59 *** Alison_Chaiken has quit IRC 2010-07-27T19:54:39 hey kiwichris, how ya doing? 2010-07-27T20:12:39 Hi bob 2010-07-27T21:14:02 kiwichris: sorry i've been quiet, i've been working on getting all the bugs out of this out-of-directoy build business 2010-07-27T21:14:24 and i just squashed the last bug from running the Configure script out of directory 2010-07-27T21:14:34 Nice 2010-07-27T21:14:35 (though my hacking isn't the prettiest) 2010-07-27T21:14:40 yeah, so i can do something like 2010-07-27T21:14:45 perl ../Configure.pl 2010-07-27T21:14:50 and that'll generate a completely legitimate build 2010-07-27T21:15:02 errr, rather, that'll run the automatic configuration process 2010-07-27T21:15:19 so now all that has to be done is copy all of those files into the build directory 2010-07-27T21:15:19 That is very nice. It is so easy to track built vs actual files. 2010-07-27T21:15:26 and then run make 2010-07-27T21:15:32 definitely 2010-07-27T21:15:34 Cool. 2010-07-27T21:15:48 I have a Python script that can parse an RPM spec file. 2010-07-27T21:16:01 ah nice. 2010-07-27T21:16:04 To change subjects :) 2010-07-27T21:16:20 i'll probably have a parrot bootstrapping script 2010-07-27T21:16:24 ah, not parrot, perl 2010-07-27T21:16:27 I am now doing the tar file unpack and patch then after that is the build 2010-07-27T21:16:30 (sorry, it's late and i've been staring at this stuff) 2010-07-27T21:16:40 nice 2010-07-27T21:16:45 I do not know Parrot as a language nor perl 2010-07-27T21:16:56 ah, bummer. perl is my first love 2010-07-27T21:17:40 My hope is soon being able to get RTEMS RPM spec files and to build the tools on MacOS 2010-07-27T21:18:17 I think I would need a good sizes perl project to be able to use it easly 2010-07-27T21:18:29 sizes/sized 2010-07-27T21:19:16 that definitely helps 2010-07-27T21:31:14 *** bubaflub has quit IRC 2010-07-27T21:43:54 *** bubaflub has joined #rtems 2010-07-27T22:14:04 *** Alison_Chaiken has joined #rtems 2010-07-27T22:14:36 *** projectgus has joined #rtems 2010-07-27T23:20:19 *** bubaflub has quit IRC 2010-07-27T23:30:45 *** aniceberg has joined #rtems 2010-07-28T00:04:55 *** bubaflub has joined #rtems 2010-07-28T00:11:31 *** bubaflub has quit IRC 2010-07-28T00:19:37 *** bubaflub has joined #rtems 2010-07-28T00:38:45 *** Alison_Chaiken has quit IRC 2010-07-28T01:09:53 *** groleo has joined #rtems 2010-07-28T01:29:50 *** groleo has quit IRC 2010-07-28T01:51:38 *** sebhub has joined #rtems 2010-07-28T01:56:36 good morning 2010-07-28T01:57:44 *** bubaflub has quit IRC 2010-07-28T03:29:28 *** aniceberg has quit IRC 2010-07-28T03:45:48 *** exception13 has joined #rtems 2010-07-28T06:12:03 *** madrazr has joined #rtems 2010-07-28T07:11:07 *** DrJoel has quit IRC 2010-07-28T07:28:58 *** aniceberg has joined #rtems 2010-07-28T07:33:43 *** aniceberg has quit IRC 2010-07-28T07:37:39 *** tuxmaniac has joined #rtems 2010-07-28T07:46:38 *** kiwichris has quit IRC 2010-07-28T07:55:06 *** aniceberg has joined #rtems 2010-07-28T07:58:42 *** gedare_ has joined #rtems 2010-07-28T08:19:31 *** exception13 has left #rtems 2010-07-28T08:40:17 *** aniceberg has quit IRC 2010-07-28T08:57:03 *** gedare_ is now known as gedare 2010-07-28T08:57:23 sebhub: thanks for commenting on my PRs 2010-07-28T08:57:39 has anyone seen alinrus of late? 2010-07-28T08:59:14 sry, to be so rude, you do a great job 2010-07-28T09:00:27 sebhub: it's not rude, it is critique and has to be done 2010-07-28T09:00:48 and it is a sight better than what ralf has said to me :) 2010-07-28T09:00:59 also thanks for the compliment 2010-07-28T09:01:25 i'm trying to get the 'rename' patches in first, so they don't distract from the real changes coming up 2010-07-28T09:02:33 ok, i am a bit picky with the names, because the score has very consistent names up to now 2010-07-28T09:03:29 *** bubaflub has joined #rtems 2010-07-28T09:04:00 *** bubaflub has left #rtems 2010-07-28T09:05:15 *** zwj has joined #rtems 2010-07-28T09:07:58 hi 2010-07-28T09:09:14 hey zwj. 2010-07-28T09:14:19 sebhub: would _Priority_Bit_map_Remove(), _Priority_Bit_map_Add(), _Priority_Bit_map_Handler_initialization(), ... Priority_Bit_map_Information -- be OK to use? 2010-07-28T09:14:25 from your POV 2010-07-28T09:15:06 Later on I will probably introduce _Priority_Tree_Remove(), ... Priority_Tree_Information, etc 2010-07-28T09:19:12 sebhub: or is _Priority_bit_map_Remove ... better? 2010-07-28T09:20:54 *** bubaflub has joined #rtems 2010-07-28T09:22:18 the pattern is _Package_name_Method_name 2010-07-28T09:22:44 OK.. I was trying to distinguish sub-packages... 2010-07-28T09:23:00 but maybe that isn't necessary 2010-07-28T09:23:32 we don't have subpackages so far, but this may be not for eternity 2010-07-28T09:23:55 I'm planning to introduce them ... 2010-07-28T09:24:03 we should decide a way to consistently name them 2010-07-28T09:24:23 how many subpackages do you expect? 2010-07-28T09:25:08 for the priority, probably only 2. for the scheduler, at least 3, and for ready queue another 3 2010-07-28T09:25:54 plus when SMP comes, at least one more subpackage for scheduler 2010-07-28T09:26:17 I would name them _Package_name_sub_package_name_Method_name 2010-07-28T09:26:24 ok I will do this, and be consistent 2010-07-28T09:26:32 it won't be too hard to sed it if needed to change 2010-07-28T09:26:40 yes 2010-07-28T09:26:53 thanks. 2010-07-28T09:28:11 I wish we had git instead of CVS, that would make the content movements more visible 2010-07-28T09:29:00 it is so difficult to add new files and directories to CVS as a patch 2010-07-28T09:30:11 *** tuxmaniac has quit IRC 2010-07-28T09:31:36 yeah,i think so. git is a good tool 2010-07-28T09:31:49 gedare:hi, how about your project? 2010-07-28T09:32:40 zwj: my project is going nicely, I'm trying to make patches now to get some things merged. 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arvind_khadri has joined #rtems 2010-07-29T04:28:47 *** arvind_khadri has quit IRC 2010-07-29T04:42:04 sebhub yesterday "I wish we had git instead of CVS, that would make the content movements more visible" 2010-07-29T04:42:11 *** arvind_khadri has joined #rtems 2010-07-29T04:42:44 sebhub: it might be that what you *really* want is mercurial insead of git 2010-07-29T04:53:13 *** exception13 has joined #rtems 2010-07-29T04:54:37 *** tuxmaniac has joined #rtems 2010-07-29T05:19:02 *** arvind_khadri has quit IRC 2010-07-29T05:20:35 *** arvind_khadri has joined #rtems 2010-07-29T06:11:53 i guess i will stay with the linux crowd 2010-07-29T06:18:16 *** arvind_khadri has quit IRC 2010-07-29T06:26:47 sebhub: switched from cvs dirctly to mercurial beginning of this year (skippung svn and also git) 2010-07-29T06:27:02 and like it really much 2010-07-29T06:27:19 much more accessible than git 2010-07-29T06:28:14 and a much used plugin system built in 2010-07-29T06:28:56 tools for git are a mix of skripts in various languages 2010-07-29T06:29:16 * Fallenou finds git kindof powerfull 2010-07-29T06:29:42 regarding power git and mercurial are about the same 2010-07-29T06:32:40 *** madrazr has joined #rtems 2010-07-29T07:27:21 peerst: sebhub: you guys know RTEMS has a git mirror? http://www.rtems.org/ftp/private/git/rtems.git/ 2010-07-29T07:29:46 mikeg: yes I have seen that on irc before and worrying that rtems might move to git instead of mercurial in the future ;-) 2010-07-29T07:31:20 but otoh its necessary anyway to know git *and* mercurial since there will be projects using either of them 2010-07-29T07:42:38 is is clear that a bsd guy like you want to stay away from git ;-) 2010-07-29T07:50:55 *** Raj_ has joined #rtems 2010-07-29T07:51:34 actually I didn't care for git being Linus thing 2010-07-29T07:52:09 used cvs practically since the beginning switching to it from a few years of rcs usage 2010-07-29T07:52:51 since the I repeatedly surveyed for a better way in vcs 2010-07-29T07:53:00 s/the/then/ 2010-07-29T07:53:18 I always wanted a distributed (even before git) 2010-07-29T07:53:58 but when git was out I gave it a try and it was not very accessible for beginners and switchers 2010-07-29T07:54:11 so I skipped it 2010-07-29T07:54:24 and waited even longer 2010-07-29T07:54:33 until i did test mercurial last year 2010-07-29T07:54:58 I was up and running and understanding what I'm doing in litereally 10 minutes 2010-07-29T07:55:27 litereally: nice typo ;-) 2010-07-29T07:55:55 and I've seen the plugins etc it just felt right from the beginning 2010-07-29T07:56:11 and git did'nt when I gave it a try 2010-07-29T07:56:28 woo i didn't know there was a git repo for rtems ! 2010-07-29T07:56:35 and I really craved for distributed vcs when I tried git 2010-07-29T07:56:41 damn i should have used that instead of creating a git inside the cvs 2010-07-29T07:57:39 so no Linux (or even Linus) aversion was not the cause I didn't choose it for the next decades 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joined #rtems 2010-07-30T01:50:27 good morning 2010-07-30T01:55:27 hi 2010-07-30T02:05:22 *** alinrus has joined #rtems 2010-07-30T02:08:06 ho 2010-07-30T02:14:26 *** projectgus has quit IRC 2010-07-30T02:14:38 *** projectgus has joined #rtems 2010-07-30T02:25:27 *** projectgus has quit IRC 2010-07-30T04:13:25 *** exception13 has joined #rtems 2010-07-30T04:18:46 *** aniceberg has joined #rtems 2010-07-30T04:24:39 *** madrazr has joined #rtems 2010-07-30T05:28:53 *** methril has joined #rtems 2010-07-30T05:54:09 *** antgreen has joined #rtems 2010-07-30T05:55:31 hey guys - is there a git mirror/gateway for rtems? 2010-07-30T05:55:48 lekernel: are you the milkymist dude? 2010-07-30T05:55:59 that's a great project 2010-07-30T05:56:02 http://www.rtems.org/ftp/private/git/rtems.git/ 2010-07-30T05:56:06 thanks 2010-07-30T05:56:26 aniceberg, hi, yes 2010-07-30T05:56:39 thanks :) 2010-07-30T05:57:04 lekernel: I look to it for inspiration sometimes for my own FPGA experiment 2010-07-30T05:59:22 lekernel, that was for antgreen, I guess. :) 2010-07-30T06:44:56 great, what exactly did you re-use? 2010-07-30T06:44:58 aniceberg, ? 2010-07-30T06:46:29 *** exception13 has left #rtems 2010-07-30T06:46:37 aniceberg != antgreen 2010-07-30T06:47:06 lekernel: I haven't re-used anything yet, but I will 2010-07-30T06:47:16 I'm designing my own CPU core, 2010-07-30T06:47:40 so I'll need peripherals that I will borrow from your project, most likely, when I build the SOC 2010-07-30T06:48:12 lekernel: the core is called "moxie". gnu toolchain support has been upstream for a while, but I haven't finished the verilog 2010-07-30T06:49:10 is it a clone of an already existing arch? 2010-07-30T06:50:08 no, it's a unique architecture 2010-07-30T06:50:53 I designed the ISA by starting with a GCC port to a blank architecture, and then only added instructions required to satisfy GCC's needs 2010-07-30T06:51:20 eventually the ISA had enough coverage to build the linux kernel, for instance 2010-07-30T06:51:35 most instructions are 16-bits, but some are 48 2010-07-30T06:51:43 and there are 16 32-bit registers 2010-07-30T06:52:53 *** DrJoel has joined #rtems 2010-07-30T06:52:53 *** ChanServ sets mode: +o DrJoel 2010-07-30T06:54:55 * DrJoel waves to aniceberg 2010-07-30T06:56:28 does it have a mmu? 2010-07-30T06:57:47 * aniceberg waves back and DrJoel 2010-07-30T06:58:04 been long time DrJoel :) 2010-07-30T06:59:36 between the class last week and just being behind .. I haven't been on irc much 2010-07-30T06:59:58 Oh. I was referring to myself. :D 2010-07-30T07:02:45 FWIW I don't know if we have all the set*id calls but setuid is in libcsupport/src/getuid.c I see seteuid calls in the tcp ip stack but no implementatino. So (1) split setuid into its own file, add posix methods as approrpiate.. write IMFS tests which are conditional on POSIX API being there. 2010-07-30T07:03:38 Got it... 2010-07-30T07:03:57 lekernel: no, not yet 2010-07-30T07:03:57 antgreen, how did it go with the uclibc/binutils/uclinux executable loader port? that thing was a time sink on lm32, got me mad, and that's one of the reasons why i'm switching to rtems 2010-07-30T07:05:35 my uclinux kernel port is incomplete. it boots, loads flat executables but crashes after a few context switches. 2010-07-30T07:06:01 the whole thing is pretty complex, which is also why I'm switching to rtems for now 2010-07-30T07:06:27 I want to bring up h/w with something (RTEMS, in this case), before I tackle uclinux again 2010-07-30T07:06:41 antgreen: it's all here: http://moxielogic.com/wiki 2010-07-30T07:07:20 .org no ? 2010-07-30T07:07:24 oh, right 2010-07-30T07:07:29 antgreen: that URL doesn't work for me.. I hope the port is going well 2010-07-30T07:07:36 http://moxielogic.org/wiki 2010-07-30T07:07:58 rtems port just ran hello.exe yesterday 2010-07-30T07:08:17 with context switch and switch back to BSP shutdown cleanly? 2010-07-30T07:08:48 DrJoel: only the shutdown/restart doesn't work 2010-07-30T07:08:55 the first context switch is fine. 2010-07-30T07:09:27 If you don't have much luck by Monday (leaving early today), send me the cpu.h and the cpu_asm.S and URL for cpu manual. I will take a look 2010-07-30T07:09:30 I think I need to dummy up a return stack frame for that last one 2010-07-30T07:10:09 DrJoel: I'm checking it into my github account right now: http://github.com/atgreen 2010-07-30T07:10:20 thanks. I'll let you know on monday 2010-07-30T07:10:26 complex? heh 2010-07-30T07:10:54 a nommu executable loader is all about adding offsets to addresses 2010-07-30T07:11:06 if it's complex, it's only because GNU screwed it up 2010-07-30T07:11:39 antgreen: ok.. if you need help, just ask and make sure I have links to abi and cpu instruction set. Might be good to start something on the rtems wiki about it. 2010-07-30T07:12:06 lekernel: no, the loader is easy. it's the kernel's context switching that I'm finding tricky 2010-07-30T07:12:14 maybe I'm just dumb :-) 2010-07-30T07:12:40 haha 2010-07-30T07:12:45 we have the opposite problem here 2010-07-30T07:12:57 context switching works but i couldn't get that damn loader to work properly 2010-07-30T07:14:30 * DrJoel needs to get ready to head to the office.. will log on from there 2010-07-30T07:14:33 *** DrJoel has quit IRC 2010-07-30T07:15:03 lekernel: ok, let me get moxie's context switching working, and you can replace milkymist's lm32 with moxie ! :-) 2010-07-30T07:15:26 uh.. once the verilog is done as well 2010-07-30T07:15:28 btw are you sure this isn't a cpu related bug? 2010-07-30T07:15:38 did you try it with an emulator like qemu? 2010-07-30T07:15:56 (btw we can move this off topic discussion to #milkymist if you want) 2010-07-30T07:16:22 I have a working qemu port and get the same results there. It's my bad kernel port that's the problem. 2010-07-30T07:33:43 *** aniceberg has quit IRC 2010-07-30T07:43:18 *** jorisvr has joined #rtems 2010-07-30T07:45:16 hello 2010-07-30T07:45:49 *** aniceberg has joined #rtems 2010-07-30T07:46:08 i have a question about thread-safety of RTEMS library functions 2010-07-30T07:47:05 For example: if I do concurrent fprintf from two tasks for different file descriptors; is that safe? 2010-07-30T08:04:52 *** madrazr has quit IRC 2010-07-30T08:10:22 *** kiwichris has quit IRC 2010-07-30T08:15:13 yes, this is safe 2010-07-30T08:15:42 provided you did not disable the newlib reentrancy support 2010-07-30T08:30:53 sebhub: ok thanks 2010-07-30T08:31:19 tougher question: concurrent call to printf on same file descriptor from two tasks ? 2010-07-30T08:33:52 POSIX.1c seems to guarantee this is safe 2010-07-30T08:34:13 but i think it's not safe in RTEMS since flockfile() are not implemented ? 2010-07-30T08:34:21 for threads or processes? 2010-07-30T08:34:47 the POSIX guarantee is for threads 2010-07-30T08:35:05 an RTEMS task is like a thread right? 2010-07-30T08:35:15 yes 2010-07-30T08:37:29 i can see in the newlib source that it calls flockfile() inside vfprintf to make it safe 2010-07-30T08:37:38 but the body of flockfile is empty so it won't help 2010-07-30T08:38:08 printf() calls _vfprintf_r() 2010-07-30T08:38:45 yes, which calls _flockfile() 2010-07-30T08:39:36 i would not call printf concurrently, you will get mixed output 2010-07-30T08:40:22 not if each call is guaranteed to be atomic 2010-07-30T08:40:50 this is not the case from my experience 2010-07-30T08:41:03 but i'm more concerned that maybe the application can crash because of concurrent calls 2010-07-30T08:42:21 this should not happen 2010-07-30T08:43:27 ok, so it's not perfectly correct, but safe enough for debug output to console 2010-07-30T08:46:44 you may ask the rtems or newlib mailing list about this topic 2010-07-30T08:46:58 *** madrazr has joined #rtems 2010-07-30T08:47:14 i avoided concurrent access to files so far 2010-07-30T08:47:56 *** madrazr has quit IRC 2010-07-30T08:48:33 ok, thanks for your help 2010-07-30T08:48:54 i'll write to the list because i'd like to be really sure what the guarantees are 2010-07-30T08:50:47 this is also interesting for me 2010-07-30T09:03:11 *** bubaflub has joined #rtems 2010-07-30T09:04:49 *** madrazr has joined #rtems 2010-07-30T09:22:14 *** sebhub has quit IRC 2010-07-30T09:24:01 *** bubaflub has quit IRC 2010-07-30T09:24:07 *** bubaflub has joined #rtems 2010-07-30T09:35:48 *** DrJoel has joined #rtems 2010-07-30T09:35:48 *** ChanServ sets mode: +o DrJoel 2010-07-30T09:36:42 *** bubaflub has quit IRC 2010-07-30T09:37:33 *** aniceberg has quit IRC 2010-07-30T09:42:16 *** gedare has joined #rtems 2010-07-30T09:42:54 *** bubaflub has joined #rtems 2010-07-30T10:23:27 *** bubaflub has quit IRC 2010-07-30T10:27:26 *** bubaflub has joined #rtems 2010-07-30T10:41:14 *** madrazr has quit IRC 2010-07-30T10:42:53 *** exception13 has joined #rtems 2010-07-30T11:04:17 morning drjoel 2010-07-30T11:04:56 hello! sorry for being slow. :( 2010-07-30T11:05:15 is the context_switch_necessary -> dispatch needed patch next? 2010-07-30T11:05:55 that would be a good patch to slip in.. i can regenerate it if it isn't cleanly applied now 2010-07-30T11:06:03 *** Alison_Chaiken has joined #rtems 2010-07-30T11:07:05 if you don't mind, please do. I am trying to leave early today but should have time to merge that (requires full build on my machine) 2010-07-30T11:07:46 ok. i'll be submitting the first scheduler refactor PR this afternoon, which just maintains the priority scheduler. 2010-07-30T11:09:19 you are submitting faster than I can merge and test LOL 2010-07-30T11:09:34 *** Alison_Chaiken has quit IRC 2010-07-30T11:09:43 the scheduler will probably stand to sit for awhile if people want to see what I did first. 2010-07-30T11:11:29 find . -type f | xargs sed -i -e 's/_Context_Switch_necessary/_Thread_Dispatch_necessary/g' 2010-07-30T11:11:30 :) 2010-07-30T11:11:33 patch regenerating 2010-07-30T11:19:20 DrJoel: with all of the changes I made to the score, spsize is going to be wrong. Should I spend some time figuring out how to make it correct (or at least closer to correct)? 2010-07-30T11:25:11 please.. hit it incrementally as you patch.. you may break it completely 2010-07-30T11:25:18 bbl.. have to take son to doctor 2010-07-30T11:25:21 *** DrJoel has quit IRC 2010-07-30T11:28:22 *** bubaflub has quit IRC 2010-07-30T11:29:13 *** madrazr has joined #rtems 2010-07-30T11:32:19 *** bubaflub_ has joined #rtems 2010-07-30T11:32:51 *** bubaflub_ is now known as bubaflub 2010-07-30T11:56:36 *** Alison_Chaiken has joined #rtems 2010-07-30T12:20:54 *** jorisvr has quit IRC 2010-07-30T12:30:39 *** madrazr has quit IRC 2010-07-30T13:08:10 *** alinrus has quit IRC 2010-07-30T13:33:05 *** gedare has quit IRC 2010-07-30T13:39:06 *** alinrus has joined #rtems 2010-07-30T14:20:07 *** madrazr has joined #rtems 2010-07-30T14:56:07 *** madrazr has quit IRC 2010-07-30T15:31:58 *** alinrus has quit IRC 2010-07-30T15:48:18 *** alinrus has joined #rtems 2010-07-30T15:54:37 hi 2010-07-30T15:54:53 does someone ever tested the tftpTest from network-demos ? 2010-07-30T15:55:47 that's weird cause when i launch it, it does not even send the gratuitious ARP packet when doing the rtems_bsdnet_initialize_network (); 2010-07-30T15:56:27 Then i compared with the telnetd program (from network-demos too) which sends this gratuitious ARP packet ... 2010-07-30T15:56:39 noticed some #define missing in the tftpTest ... 2010-07-30T15:56:51 i added them... and oh miracle, it sends the ARP packet 2010-07-30T15:57:09 so i wonder if my bsp is the only one who need those #defines or if it's broken for the others too 2010-07-30T15:57:26 can someone test the tftpTest on some bsp ? 2010-07-30T16:28:04 *** bubaflub has quit IRC 2010-07-30T17:17:05 *** methril_work has quit IRC 2010-07-30T19:37:18 *** Alison_Chaiken has quit IRC 2010-07-30T20:15:04 *** exception13 has left #rtems 2010-07-31T01:26:35 *** zwj has joined #rtems 2010-07-31T01:40:36 *** alinrus has quit IRC 2010-07-31T01:57:42 *** alinrus has joined #rtems 2010-07-31T02:52:04 *** zhangwenjie has joined #rtems 2010-07-31T02:52:58 *** zwj has quit IRC 2010-07-31T03:59:22 *** methril_ has joined #rtems 2010-07-31T04:00:52 *** methril has quit IRC 2010-07-31T04:06:13 Fallenou, I think you really need to get some other bsp running on your side 2010-07-31T04:21:43 *** alinrus has quit IRC 2010-07-31T04:32:12 *** methril__ has joined #rtems 2010-07-31T04:33:24 *** methril_ has quit IRC 2010-07-31T06:18:09 *** exception13 has joined #rtems 2010-07-31T06:19:53 *** zhangwenjie has quit IRC 2010-07-31T06:57:34 fatal: http://www.rtems.org/ftp/private/git/rtems/.git/info/refs not found: did you run git update-server-info on the server? 2010-07-31T06:57:38 hum :o 2010-07-31T06:57:43 when cloning 2010-07-31T07:54:54 *** zwj has joined #rtems 2010-07-31T08:29:33 *** madrazr has joined #rtems 2010-07-31T09:52:56 *** tuxmaniac has joined #rtems 2010-07-31T11:19:21 *** exception13 has left #rtems 2010-07-31T11:49:50 *** zwj has quit IRC 2010-07-31T12:07:31 *** exception13 has joined #rtems 2010-07-31T13:05:28 *** antgreen has left #rtems 2010-07-31T13:42:43 *** tuxmaniac has quit IRC 2010-07-31T15:33:14 *** exception13 has left #rtems 2010-07-31T16:53:36 *** methril__ is now known as methril 2010-07-31T21:30:52 *** zwj has joined #rtems 2010-07-31T21:48:43 *** zwj has quit IRC 2010-07-31T21:49:00 *** zwj has joined #rtems 2010-07-31T23:09:54 *** methril_ has joined #rtems 2010-07-31T23:11:19 *** methril has quit IRC 2010-08-01T04:20:59 *** exception13 has joined #rtems 2010-08-01T05:07:24 *** lekernel has quit IRC 2010-08-01T05:21:40 *** lekernel has joined #rtems 2010-08-01T05:56:52 *** lekernel has quit IRC 2010-08-01T06:13:48 *** lekernel has joined #rtems 2010-08-01T08:14:39 *** exception13 has left #rtems 2010-08-01T08:37:35 *** madrazr has joined #rtems 2010-08-01T08:43:59 *** exception13 has joined #rtems 2010-08-01T08:57:13 *** alison_chaiken has joined #rtems 2010-08-01T10:27:14 *** zwj has quit IRC 2010-08-01T12:47:00 *** madrazr has quit IRC 2010-08-01T14:08:11 *** tuxmaniac has joined #rtems 2010-08-01T15:09:34 *** tuxmaniac has quit IRC 2010-08-01T15:31:51 *** alison_chaiken has quit IRC 2010-08-01T17:06:00 *** exception13 has left #rtems 2010-08-01T18:17:25 *** projectgus has joined #rtems 2010-08-01T18:47:56 *** mikeg has quit IRC 2010-08-01T18:51:58 *** kuzew has quit IRC 2010-08-01T18:53:55 *** mikeg has joined #rtems 2010-08-01T18:56:21 *** kuzew has joined #rtems 2010-08-01T19:54:36 *** kiwichris has joined #rtems 2010-08-01T21:07:15 *** kiwichris has quit IRC 2010-08-01T21:27:38 *** kiwichris has joined #rtems 2010-08-01T22:56:08 *** kiwichris has quit IRC 2010-08-01T23:28:31 *** kiwichris has joined #rtems 2010-08-01T23:54:18 *** kiwichris has quit IRC 2010-08-01T23:56:01 *** kiwichris has joined #rtems